Talk:Pigeon Mountain (New Zealand)

Directions from Pidgeon Mt

North is towards towards Motuhe Is.West is towards Mt Wellington.South is towards Pakuranga College. Claudia Jan 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.35.32 (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 11 October 2014

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) —innotata 23:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Pigeon Mountain (New Zealand) → Ōhuiarangi / Pigeon Mountain – New name for cone. Haminoon (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

References

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Oppose MOS:SLASH we should avoid slashes whenever possible. WP:SUBPAGE this makes the appearance of a subpage, and messes up the associated talk pages, which will assume it is a subpage. Further, per internet wide usage, this is assumed to be a subpage in URL formulations. We can replace it with a DASH, like how other jurisdictions use an mdash. WP:OFFICIALNAMES we don't just use official names because they are official -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 11:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment Ōhuiarangi (and Ohuiarangi) is currently a redlink -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 11:27, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment We can make them redirects when this is settled. As the two names are important to different peoples I think having just one name in the title would break WP:NPOV. Haminoon (talk) 21:48, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment A slash is allowed "where a slash occurs in a phrase widely used outside Wikipedia, and a different construction would be inaccurate, unfamiliar, or ambiguous"; and we have a precedence with Aoraki / Mount Cook. Usually in NZ the general usage rapidly follows the official name (as we saw with Aoraki / Mount Cook). Haminoon (talk) 21:48, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

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Infobox naming

I've restored the infobox to it's previous state; generally, we lead the infobox with the same name as the article. BilledMammal (talk) 06:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

MOS:INFOBOXGEO states Infoboxes for geographical items (e.g. cities and countries) should generally be headed with the article title, although the formal version of a name (e.g. Republic of Montenegro at Montenegro) can be substituted. E James Bowman (talk) 06:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

This isn't a formal name, though; it's an official name. Formal names refer to things such as the "Republic of Montenegro", not "Warszawa" or "Maungauika". I also note that I've reverted to the status quo while we discuss. BilledMammal (talk) 06:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Your link refers to country names. Google "formal". The Oxford Languages dictionary definition #2 is "officially sanctioned or recognised". The gazetted official name of this geographical item is the 'formal version of the name'. E James Bowman (talk) 07:16, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Since the replies are identical, I'm also replying to your comments at Talk:Mount Smart and Talk:North Head, New Zealand.

Formal place names are usually also official place names, but the other way around isn't true - "Republic of Montenegro" is both formal and official, but "Maunguika" is only official. This is also why my link refers to country names; it is one of the few topics where places have a formal name.

In addition, I don't believe we want to use the official name in infoboxes; often it is in a foreign language, when it is more useful to our readers to have the English-language name, and it would lack consistency with the rest of the article. However, if you disagree, then I would suggest you open a discussion at MOS:INFOBOX to change it. BilledMammal (talk) 09:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I shared about this discussion at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#Infobox naming. As the identical discussion is happening across three Tūpuna Maunga talk pages, it had been suggested the discussion is taken there. I agree. E James Bowman (talk) 22:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@E James Bowman: Per WP:LOCALCON, Wikiproject NZ cannot form a consensus about these articles. Instead, I will continue to reply here; as I suggested above, if you believe it should apply to official names, rather than the more limited formal names, you should open an RfC at MOS:INFOBOX. BilledMammal (talk) 23:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I've passed on what you wrote at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#Infobox naming.

At Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (New Zealand)/Archive 4#Lead sentence and infobox you agreed to this:

in articles where the title is English-only, and where the official name (from the New Zealand Gazetteer) is a dual name, then

• The infobox title should be the dual name with the "/", e.g., Franz Josef Glacier/Kā Roimata o Hine Hukatere, again for conciseness and as the spot for the official name.

E James Bowman (talk) 00:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I think you have slightly misrepresented my position in that discussion; my response to the broader compromise proposal that included that was I prefer the format used at Uluru, but I wouldn't object very strongly to this. However, that compromise was not accepted and I continue to prefer the format used at Uluru. I also believe that current policy supports that; "Uluru / Ayers Rock" is an official name, not a formal name, and so we should only use "Uluru" in the infobox. BilledMammal (talk) 01:04, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Height

Is it 58m or 53m ? I have altered it to 58m as this seems official height and not Wikipedia's job to resurvey. ChaseKiwi (talk) 14:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)