Talk:Paper Trail

This is a real album and it has been cited. I've read numerous articles on the rapper and his upcoming cd.

I believe that this is a real item. It has not been cited; there are no references in this article. If you know of a reliable source that definitely confirms the information in this article, that would help it overcome both this and this objection. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

No Matter What

T.I. said that "No Matter What" is not an offical single. I don't get why people keep putting it as a single. It's just a leaked track. SE KinG (talk) 01:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it is not a leaked track, but rather a promotional single. I suppose that, in itself, could be counted at as the "first single," regardless of the fact that it is not an official single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tri-Edge (talk • contribs) 21:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you please give a source where T.I. says it is not an official single. If you don't, people will just keep adding it as a single. I doubt it was an official single, but it needs a source that it was not. I mean it was released to Radio and it was released digitally. It even had a music video. All i am saying is you should have a source where T.I. says that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PSIHEARTTORI (talk • contribs) 00:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Paper Trail Pushed Back Alittle More

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=11312111&MyToken=56250cb4-cbfa-4a79-b7db-3cd988642819

On his myspace it says 9/9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.237.92 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed guests?

Can someone please post the reference that says that Lil Wayne is on "What's Up, What's Happening" and that Kanye West is on "Sitting on Top of the World"? Other-wise there is no use putting up false hope information. SE KinG (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Louis Ray

Whoever added that track, can you please but up a reference for that information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SE KinG (talk • contribs) 00:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

What's up, What's Happening

The page says that the first single was released June 17th, but I can't find it anywhere for download? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.4.138 (talk) 18:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Cant be tha cover

Because the dimensions aren't the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.250.4 (talk) 03:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a work in progress cover. There going to cut it down and add the text. SE KinG (talk) 04:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Not-so-confirmed tracks

I removed several songs from the confirmed tracks section that did not meet our policy for verifiability or WP:RS. Here is a breakdown of the what I have removed:

Title	Reason
"Be Free"	The only citation for these come from WordPress, a blog host, which therefore fails WP:RS.
"Hustla's Struggle"
"Limelight (Intro)"
"On My Job"
"The Block Still Got Me"
"Out in the Cold"	No citation whatsoever. Fails the basic concept of confirmed in "confirmed tracks".
"What Up, What's Happenin'"	All this link tells me is that there is a song called "What Up" by T.I. and is not on any of his albums (ALBUM: N/A). Now, with this link, to come to the conclusion that a song called "What Up, What's Happenin'" will be on this album is pure original research.

I'm not implying that these songs will not be on the upcoming album, but until they are not confirmed by reliable, verifiable sources, we should not mention them on the article. Thanks, Do U(knome)? ^yes...|_{or no} 21:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm just gonna throw this out there, A Better Day was a song that was leaked in late June, rumored to be on Paper Trail, but no official source has stated it.

http://nahright.com/news/2008/06/22/ti-a-better-day/

Also "Out in the Cold" was confirmed by MTV.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1590835/20080714/fall_out_boy.jhtml

But however it was stated as "under consideration". So I do not believe it should be under confirmed tracks.

I agree with most of your thoughts except "What Up, What's Happenin'", an unofficial music video has been made (unknown if it will be a single). Kind of what Plies did for some of his tracks on Definition of Real. But thats just my thoughts. SE KinG (talk) 01:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Unexplained Removal

Can someone explain to me why this information was removed?

Album information
On August 5, T.I. confirmed that Rihanna, Justin Timberlake, Usher, Fall Out Boy, & John Legend are set to appear on the album. He also stated that two music videos for "Swing Ya Rag" and "What Up, What's Happenin'" are currently being worked on and he also included a behind the scenes look at the "Swing Ya Rag" video.

The video for "Whatever You Like" was released on BET's Access Granted on August 6, 2008.

T.I. will also be visiting BET's 106 & Park on August 7 and will give the complete 411 on his new album and premiere his "Whatever You Like" video as the new joint.

Tracks
In an official statement, T.I. announced that he will be releasing the first street/promotional song off Paper Trail on Tuesday, April 29 on Streetcred.com. "I already know the demand is great, the anticipation is very high, and the wait is almost over man," T.I. said. "I promise you something special and I will deliver." The song was released on StreetCred.com on April 29th as a promotional single then online for sale on May 6, 2008. It is called "No Matter What" with a music video for the song already being finished and it was released on MTV's FN Premieres on June 27. On July 4, 2008, T.I. added a new song to his MySpace titled "Swing Your Rag". Another track "What Up What's Happenin'" was also leaked to the internet and is now on his MySpace also. T.I. also collaborated with Fall Out Boy on a track called "Out in the Cold".

SE KinG (talk) 01:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

References

Swing Ya Rag/Whatever U like

Isn't Swing Ya Rag the Second single Whatever you like the first single and No Matter what the Promotional single? Because that is not what they say in their articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1Sire (talk • contribs) 23:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Swagger Like Us

it leaked today it features Kanye West, Jay-z and Lil Wayne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.138.22 (talk) 07:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

So? Just because it's leaked doesn't mean it's on 'Paper Trail'.

It was previewed at the PAPER TRAIL listening party last week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KyleEshna (talk • contribs) 18:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Now that a reliable source like MTV has confirmed it, it can be put on the page. I was just saying my comment above because no one would post a reference with the song. SE KinG (talk) 03:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Swagger Like Us REMIX

iS going to feature Young Jeezy KanYe's Blog

Jeezy? That's probably gonna be better then the normal. SE KinG (talk) 03:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I know.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 05:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Word! (DipSetGeezer (talk) 14:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC))

'You Ain't Ready'

A new song, 'You Ain't Ready' was leaked a few days ago, and is produced by The Runners, does anyone know anything about it? I havn't read anything about it being a track from Paper Trail. (DipSetGeezer (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC))

A few days ago? Song was leaked months ago. SE KinG (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, okay smart arse, you got an answer though? If not then keep the smart shit to yourself! You will have Herlems finest on your door step! Haha! (DipSetGeezer (talk) 21:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC))

Regardless if it was leaked months ago or days ago, if there is no reliable source claiming it is a track to Paper Trail, than it shouldn't be added. DipSetGeezer, please watch your tone as well your your edits. DiverseMentality^{(Discuss it)} 21:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Aye Man! I was just asking a question! All i wanted was an answer not a smart response! And another thing, i didn't make any edits and wasn't suggesting that the song should be put on the track list, i was ASKING if anyone knew anything about it, so i can safely answer my own question now: No, no one does know anything about the song. Sheesh!! (DipSetGeezer (talk) 14:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC))

Citation Needed

Sometimes I get frustrated with wiki editors. I found it amusing browsing through some music pages and seeing things people wanted cited. If you need citing of a song being a remake or using a sample.... why don't you go and listen to both songs... with humans the biggest proof is seeing or hearing something for yourself.. why not try that out? It might clear up a lot of the mysteries of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Empororllid (talk • contribs) 01:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I feel sorry if a ^{[ citation needed ]} frustrates you, but the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 02:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The Tracklisting

I think it should be reverted, because as Carter 3 it was proved to be a fake (the tracklisting) on Amazon. Any ideas?

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 20:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

this is the official tracklisting... the reason Tha Carter 3 tracklisting was wrong is because when it got pushed back, the tracklisting changed... imo this is the official tracklisting and should not be changed unless a source proves that this is incorrect. amazon is about as accurate as it comes

--Ba11innnn (talk) 20:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

That tracklisting has to be fake...any one can sign onto amazon and create a tracklisting...T.I. himself has not even confirmed the tracklisting or released it on his myspace or on his website...i think the tracklisitng should be reverted back to confirmed tracks until other sources confirm the tracklisting, i may be wrong but just seems like the logig thing to do. 122.110.177.60 (talk) 23:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I would be VERY Surprised if this is the tracklist, I mean, the one track Tip said was going to be on it before any tracks were confirmed, was "let My Beat Pound", but this isn't on the tracklist on amazon. If this is the "Official" tracklist, then I am pleased to notice that The Runners have a produced Track on it, regardless of it being an Into lol. (DipSetGeezer (talk) 13:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC))

The Tracklisting needs to be removed, as Amazon.com is not a reliable source. Anyone could have posted that. —Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 21:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Somebody needs to PROTECT this page

It keeps getting vandalized.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 18:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Top Back Sample

1 line from a song does NOT count as a sample. That means that basically ANY line in any song can be considered a sample, which is incorrect. For example, "Take you wherever you like" is a line in "Whatever You Like", but i have heard that in all sorts of other songs, but thats not counted as a sample. it's NOT A SAMPLE! It's just words being used again!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DipSetGeezer (talk • contribs) 10:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

It's the line "I like my beat down low, and my top lit back." Find that line in another song besides "Top Back" and I'll agree with you. SE KinG (talk) 03:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Producers...

Like I Do - Produced by Jazze Pha
Live Your Life - Produced by Just Blaze
My Life, Your Entertainment - Produced by Drumma Boy
What Up, What's Haapnin' - Produced by Drumma Boy

Listen to the tracks, in "Like I Do" you can hear Jazze Pha in the beginning, that's his production tag. "Live Your Life" T.I. SAYS "Just we did it again homie." "My Life, Your Entertainment" has the same intro that is on every Drumma Boy songs. Same thing with "What Up, What's Haapnin'".

"I'm Illin'" I really don't care who produces it. So ya'll can keep having an edit war about that. SE KinG (talk) 03:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:V: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. You need to verify the producers. DiverseMentality^{(Discuss it)} 03:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I was about to say the same thing DiverseMentality wrote. Trust me, it really is no fun having to remove every time unreferenced content.—Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 04:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism with Track List

Someone has deleted some of the song's and messed up the info, What Up, What's Happenin is stated as a producer and not an album single. The change need's to be reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.85.6 (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism with Album Title

Look above at the title above the album art, it say's Paper Trail is not GAY. Can someone please revert that change and tell the user who is vandalising simply NOT TO VANDALISE!!! The change need's to be reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.85.6 (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible official tracklisting?

On the Amazon website from the UK, they have posted a tracklisting. Track Listings 1. No Matter What 2. Been There Done That 3. What Up What's Haapnin' 4. Swing Your Rag 5. Live Your Life 6. Propane 7. Yeah 8. Collect Call 9. My Life Your Entertainment 10. Beat Down 11. On Top Of The World 12. I'm Illy 13. Bright Lights 14. Out In The Cold 15. Bed Bath & Beyond 16. It's All G 17. 56 Bars 18. Whatever You Like 19. Slide Show

source: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paper-Trail-TI/dp/B001B56KVG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.37.229 (talk) 06:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

The music video for "What Up, What's Happening" will premiere on Street Cred.com on September 12 at 10 a.m and will no longer be released on iTunes as planned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.159.106 (talk) 17:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

New Track Listing???

Why did they take off some of the other songs, such as "Swagger Like Us." There were sources stating it was being released on Paper Trail. Just because Walmart put out a list i don't think it makes it more reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.98.221 (talk) 16:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Not only did Wal-Mart post that tracklist, but BestBuy and CDUniverse also did. It's looks pretty official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.128.3 (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

That tracklist looks a little weird though. The intro is track 17? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.255.228.38 (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Album Streaming

The whole album became available for streaming at this site: http://www.deezer.com/#music/album/216677 The Trillest Dude (talk) 22:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Tracklist and Album Leaking

1. "56 Xanax Bars (Intro)" The Runners 2. "I'm ChIllin'" Danja 3. "Ready for War" DJ Toomp 4. "On Top of the Mountain" Kanye West feat. Ludacris & B.O.B. 5. "Live Your Love" Just Blaze feat. Rihanna 6. "Whatever You Love" Jim Jonsin 7. "No Matter What Happens" Danja 8. "My Life, Your School" Drumma Boy feat. Usher 9. "Porn Star Mike" Jazze Pha 10. "Swing Ya Swag" Swizz Beatz feat. Swizz Beatz 11. "What Up, What's Happenin'" Drumma Boy 12. "Every Chance I Get" Mannie Fresh 13. "Swagger Like Us" Kanye West feat. Jay-Z, Kanye West & Lil Wayne 14. "Slide Show" Kanye West feat. John Legend 15. "You Ain't Missing Nothing" DJ Toomp 16. "Dead and Gone" Timbaland feat. Justin Timberlake BONUS TRACK: Collect Call" feat. Mitchelle'l (Prod. by Nard & B) BONUS TRACK: I Know You Miss Me(prod. by Two Band Geeks)

http://n1tifanineurope.blogspot.com/2008/09/paper-trail-covers.html this website has it itll be up in 30 min —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.152.16.4 (talk) 23:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

all i can say is i told you guys that the tracklisting was real... smh

WOW....Tha Carter III sucks compared to this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.148.144 (talk) 01:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Porn Star Samples Shoulder Lean by Young Dro

Check it.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 10:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:V: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. And per WP:RS, YouTube is not a reliable source. DiverseMentality^{(Discuss it)} 00:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Dead and Gone is produced by Justin Timberlake, not Timbaland ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.105.239 (talk) 13:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

All the Singles

1. No Matter What
2. Whatever You Like
3. Live Your Life[1]

Swing Ya Rag, What Up, Ready for Whatever were all promotional singles.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 19:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Swing Ya Rag was at least released to radio stations...the other two weren't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.128.3 (talk) 00:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Promo singles still count as a single. SE KinG (talk) 03:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

If promo singles count, then Tha Carter III page should have like 10 singles listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.128.3 (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The singles are all going to have music videos. Therefore it's a noteable single. SE KinG (talk) 03:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. If a song charts on a music chart, as in Billboard, it it notable per WP:NM. DiverseMentality^{(Discuss it)} 03:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Credit for "I Know You Missed Me" bonus track is incorrect

The official version of the song that is available on iTunes only is produced by Two Band Geeks for Grand Hustle. The version by The Runners is the one that appears on the Grand Hustle mixtape.

If you download the song from iTunes it has a "Band Geeks" drop on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billaywoo (talk • contribs) 00:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}}

Already Done--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 03:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Album cover

Does the cover (Image:T.I. Paper Trial Final Cover.jpg) not load for anyone else? It loads fine in the article but in the bigger version it wont show up at all. Matty (talk) 22:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't load for me either, and it hasn't for a while. Not sure why that is, though. DiverseMentality^(Boo!) 02:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Audio samples

Users continually add the audio samples for "No Matter What" and "Whatever You Like" into this article. Is it really appropriate to have both here rather than just on the articles of the songs? DiverseMentality^(Boo!) 18:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Background section

The first sentence reads, "On November 13, 2007, in an official statement about the charges against him, T.I. also announced that he had been working on a new album, to be entitled Paper Trail." OK, but then there is no explanation to what "the charges" are/were. There is no mention of "the charges" earlier in the article either. Can't assume that the casual reader is going to just know this information or be up-to-date on T.I.'s personal issues. This needs to be expanded or removed. - eo (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I'll add more information about the charges. DiverseMentality^(Boo!) 17:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Proffesional Review

XXL gave Paper Trail an XL. I think that should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.224.121.2 (talk) 15:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Dead and Gone

I'm thinking this is the next single. I heard it today on B96 (Chicago radio station) on my way to work. I'm not saying "hearing it" is a relable source, but I'm just gonna throw out the idea. Scroll down to #20 on Top 20 Countdown. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 06:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

We'll have to wait and see if it's a confirmed single. For now, we'll have to leave its possibility of being a single out of the article. DiverseMentality 09:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The song has just been confirmed by Rob Knox, one of the producers, as the next single. I have added the information into the article with a reference. He also mentions a re-release of the album so I added that too. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 22:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm beginning to question the reliability of HipHopDX about the re-release of the album. Almost a week later, no other websites have confirmed it, nor even mentioned the possibility of a re-release. DiverseMentality 00:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

MTV keeps confirming a new project[2][3]. However they fail to say it's a re-release as well. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 22:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Those sources talk about his upcoming album after he gets released from prison. DiverseMentality 03:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Track listing table

I've reverted the undiscussed change to the track listing table for a few reasons. First off, as I mentioned, it was completely undiscussed. Second, there was no reason to change it; the table was fine as it was and the change removed the inline citations of the samples used in the songs. Third, the 'Additional credits' section seemed completely redundant; there's already a 'Personnel' section where this is listed. If you disagree with my revert, please discuss it here first before making changes. Thank you. DiverseMentality 01:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Dead Ext. Link

The link to Pitchfork Media is gone. TechOutsider (talk) 00:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider

Fixed. DiverseMentality 06:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Sales for every week?

Is it really necessary to include the sales numbers and position on the charts for the first eight weeks? StanHater (talk) 00:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Uh...What? (Re: Case Closed EP)

The EP information clearly states that it was released in the U.K. (from the article's current edit). That means the release should have its own page. Sure, the project originally was MEANT to be an expansion project, which would have led to its being included on this page for sure, but it was a separate release in August 2009 in the U.K.

So...why in blazes is it merged here? If it never came out in the U.K., it makes sense, but if it did, give it back its own page already! CycloneGU (talk) 01:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

GA nomination

This article was listed at WP:GAN but when I came here, there does not appear to be any nomination. I'm worried it's a timing issue. If it is, please let me know. Thanks. -- S Masters (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Paper Trail/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: S Masters (talk) 12:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Although there have been edit issues in the past, the article currently appears to be stable. If this changes, however, it may affect any GA status the article might have.

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Images appear to comply to requirements.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments:

• Wikilinks should only be made if they are relevant to the context. Common words do not need wikilinking. A word only needs to be wikilinked once, at its first mention. Do not duplicate links elsewhere.
• The first single off the re-release was released onto the Internet on May 14, 2009... - Recast this sentence to avoid the duplication of "release".
• There is no need to have more than one citation per statement, unless they cite different parts of the statement. In that case, place the citation exactly where the reference points to. Otherwise, remove the additional reference.
• The album received many award nominations and wins, including a nomination for Best Rap Album at the 2009 Grammy Awards.[56]. - What are these award nominations? Remove the period after the reference note.

Summary: The above issues need to be fixed before a decision can be made. I will allow up to seven days for these changes to take place.

Final comments: Thanks for all the fixes and improvements. I am now confident that all the requirements for a Good Article have been met and I am pleased to pass it. -- S Masters (talk) 04:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

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