Talk:November 2014 North American cold wave

Severity

at least one weatherperson (lloyd lindsay young) has said the associated snowstorm is the worst ever in the united states.(mercurywoodrose)108.94.1.124 (talk) 02:10, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

It is not. There have been plenty of other more powerful blizzards/nor'easters/superstorms that have caused much more damage/deaths than Winter Storm Bozeman (Take the 1993 Superstorm and the 2011 Groundhog Day Blizzard, for example). So please keep this chunk out of the article. Thanks. LightandDark2000 (talk) 07:28, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

The "worst" aspect mentioned is the most snowfall recorded in a 24-hour period. News outlets have been reporting that areas in the storm were approaching 76 inches, the record, during the event (example: see Reuters) and that many observers have not yet given a final total because of the extreme conditions so the goal might have already been matched or exceeded. If that's the case after the final numbers are provided, the outlets will likely start reporting on it soon, and then sources can be culled. Mapsax (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Time to branch off

I believe it's time to create a separate article for this massive blizzard in Western New York. I believe the correct nomenclature would be November 2014 North American blizzard? Any consensus/volunteers? KirkCliff2 (talk) 14:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

• I went looking here on Wikipedia for more information on the storm there. I was rather shocked to find the only information we had was contained in a handful of sentences. The rest of the world is writing about the impact of this storm in WNY. Naming; given that the major impact was localized to WNY, some terminology associating it regionally rather than the continent I think would be appropriate. I don't know that it can be called a blizzard though; there's a technical definition of that. The press is calling it a blizzard, but I've not seen anything from the National Weather Service to indicate this indeed was a blizzard. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Hmm... I checked the official sources, this being one, and nowhere in this State (I'm in snow-less New York City) is there a blizzard warning. Makes sense, since blizzards generally require very strong winds. So, perhaps we can name the branch article November [dates?] 2014 Western New York snowstorm? Regardless, the priority is in creating an article; the title can be revised, if the need arises. KirkCliff2 (talk) 15:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC) Edit: There's probably plenty of Wikipedians in the impact zone, snowed in, who could plausibly contribute to the new article. 15:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

• I'm a bit reluctant to put dates on this, as the 'event' isn't over yet. But, there's precedent for this type of nomenclature: January 8–13, 2011 North American blizzard, January 25–27, 2011 North American blizzard, etc. There's no hard and fast rules though. Of course, those were blizzards, and this isn't one. I think we can start with November 2014 Western New York snowstorm and work from there, understanding it'll be renamed later. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

• Sounds logical to me. I'm in something of a rush, though, so I'll ostensibly just create the article and add a brief lead to lay the basic framework for now. Once the article is created, the editors should, no doubt, come out in full force to flesh out a full and proper article over the course of the next few hours and beyond. I'll gladly contribute, myself (and you can, too, of course), where and whenever possible. KirkCliff2 (talk) 18:19, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
• All right. Article has been created, and now I'll add a {{Main}} template on this article. KirkCliff2 (talk) 18:56, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Use of "Eastern" United States

Why does the article continually repeat that? Wikipedia isn't the media and can focus on more than just the east coast (unlike national media, which has extraordinary bias towards east coast regions which few exceptions). The Central (longitude of the) United States had several impacts as well, but the article keeps repeating "Eastern United States". Dustin (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

This is because the Eastern US extends to the Mississippi River, where most of the impacts initially occured. I did include the mention of the Midwest in more recent mentions, but if you want to add Central United States (or Midwest), go right ahead. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:23, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I'd prefer usage of "Central United States" as there is no true definition of "Midwest", and the Census cannot always be trusted to give accurate names to regions (it sticks Michigan in the Central Region while sticking some states/parts of states that are hundreds of miles closer with the Southern Region and the Western Region). Dustin (talk) 06:04, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, Midwest tends to refer to the northern part of the Central United States. Yeah, I agree that "Central United States" should be used more often, but in many cases, the location I actually meant to refer to was the Midwest region (e.g. the region where the clipper systems "Astro" and "Bozeman" entered the United States). LightandDark2000 (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

It is too ambiguous and based solely on the Census rather than the realistic and other interpretations used by the people. The Census does what is convenient for itself, so the places almost always included in the "Midwest" are places north and east of approximately Kansas, with the most expansive (in the southward direction) definition including parts of Arkansas and/or Oklahoma. If you are referring to the North-Central United States, say just that. Midwest is a bad and over-used term in my personal opinion. Dustin (talk) 03:38, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

I do not intend to use it based on census-outlined regions; I only intend to use the term in regards to the states most commonly referenced to as the "Midwest" (both in geographical delineations, advisories, and news coverage), and due to the widespread usage of the term. However, I do realize that there is this problem, but the most popular terms for given regions should be used, per WP:COMMONNAME. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:03, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Western California

The extent of the storm, as quoted by the article, states "Western California", however the map shows that the furthest extent of the storm was in EASTERN California. Was this a typo/braino? Also, when referring to "Western California", it's usually referred to as "Coastal" California. Otherwise it's referred to as "Central California/Central Valley" and then the "Sierras/Eastern Slopes"

Roger -Dot- Lee, Aviation Geek, perpetual student, amature scientist (talk) 18:16, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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