Talk:No Matter What (Boyzone song)

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There are other songs called "No Matter What", so a disambiguation is required. Maybe it should be changed to No Matter What (Andrew Lloyd Webber song). --Wolfer68 (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I would agree with that; it isn't really their song. The title should be changed, and maybe the Boyzone cover version could be made into a section within the article, focusing more on the performance of the song in the musical it is actually from. ElphaPearl (talk) 16:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

In addition to my previous comment, there are articles on songs such as Barry Manilow's Could It Be Magic and the song It Only Takes a Minute, both covered by Take That, which focus more on the original version of the song, any cover versions being described in seperate sections in the article. I suggest something similar for this article - it would look a lot more organised. ElphaPearl (talk) 16:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The title should not be changed. This has nothing to do with the Take That singles, which are clearly covers (and unheard of in those songs' primary market of the U.S.), and it has nothing to do with boybands or even with this one, Boyzone. Since the time the first two comments here were posted, I have rewritten the article to feature an extensive early history of "No Matter What". Additional relevant and notable history should be added.

But I'd like to point out that the Boyzone version is not a cover version. Regardless of the fact that the song was first publicly performed in the brief U.S. engagement, it is the Boyzone recording which was the debut recording of the song. As such, it is subsequent versions, even those featuring the early stage casts, which are technically the covers. Many artists debut songs they have not written, and they are almost always considered considered the debut artist's song, not the songwriter's. The first line of Wiki's article Cover version is "In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song." Furthermore, the Boyzone recording was produced by both of the song's writers, Lloyd Weber and Steinman, it's not like some wannabes jumped the gun and stole the thunder by sneaking their version out first. It is a unique approach to introducing your stage musical, but once you've taken that approach, we can't come along and say the Boyzone version isn't the original, or an article about the song should primarily feature a different version.

Finally, I would point out that the (Boyzone song) part is added to this song not because people are trying to promote the band or something but because there are two other articles about songs titled "No Matter What". Consider Holiday (Madonna song). Madonna did not write this song, but there are other songs with that title so the appendage is required. Indeed, "No Matter What" notably exists elsewhere, but not so notably that there has been any other popular version or that it would deserve an article unto itself. "No Matter What" is the only song in the musical with its own article, and this is because of the hit debut Boyzone recording, not because of any later cast recordings or any other notability. Abrazame (talk) 00:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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• From Love Me for a Reason: Billboard allmusic.com (Retrieved August 25, 2008)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The support vote is outweighed by the arguments brought up by the opposition. (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:48, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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No Matter What (Boyzone song) → No Matter What (Andrew Lloyd Webber song) – Boyzone are not the original composers; Andrew Lloyd Webber is. Boyzone merely covered it. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:41, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose Webber is not the only writer ("Andrew Lloyd Webber, Jim Steinman, [and] Nigel Wright"); I see no reason to add one writer alone. If it is really required to make a not-required-move, move it to No Matter What (Whistle Down the Wind song) instead. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 06:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support a move as the current title is misleading. I appreciate the concerns raised by Tbhotch but don't object to the proposed title per The Phantom of the Opera (Andrew Lloyd Webber song) and Our Kind of Love (Andrew Lloyd Webber song), though the alternative is also fine. Or perhaps No Matter What (musical song) per The Joker (musical song)? PC78 (talk) 10:11, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. This article is devoted to Boyzone version of the song, and describes record editions, track listings, musical video and charting in a lot of detail. The disambiguation "(Boyzone song)" does not imply they were the complete authors, merely that they were performers. If you want to change the title, you must change the scope first, as the current article tells almost nothing about the original version. No such user (talk) 13:51, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's not like Andrew Lloyd Webber sang this song himself, and Boyzone's single (the first released recorded version) was released in conjunctoin with the musical. Yes, I know we have "Andrew Lloyd Webber" for some other songs, but this is first and foremost known as a Boyzone pop single, and they were first to release it as such. The situation doesn't seem to need changint to me.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:02, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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