Talk:Nikolai Turczaninow

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The result of the move request was: moved to Nikolai Turczaninow. Arguments about how he is known in English-language sources are far stronger than those that point to an essay. Jenks24 (talk) 09:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Nicolai Turchaninov → Nikolai Turchaninov – This is his correct name. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 11:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

• Comment Just FYI and to confuse things even more by bringing the surname into the picture, IPNI gives his full name as "Nicolai Stepanowitsch Turczaninow."[1] And then it gives "Nikolai Stepanovich Turchaninov" as an alternate name. A Google books search using his standard abbreviation Turcz. + Turczaninow gives about 3,500 results, vs. 8 results for Turcz. + Turchaninov. That makes me think his surname should be "Turczaninow", if this is going to be changed. And maybe stick with "Nicolai" for his first name, since IPNI prefers that. Just throwing all of this out for discussion.... First Light (talk) 15:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

See WP:ROMRUS. It is totally incorrect; at the moment it looks like a Polish name than a Russian name... Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 18:10, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

• Romanization of Russian should not take precedence over the way his name is known in English. And with regard to Kürbis's statement, when he wrote in Russian his name would have been in Cyrillic, and when he wrote in Latin, his name would have been Nicolai. --Bejnar (talk) 00:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
• It should be moved actually to Nikolay Turchaninov, according to WP:RUS.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:00, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:RUS is not controlling here; what he is known as in English publications is. --Bejnar (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Would you please prove that he is overwhelmingly known as Nicolai, not as Nikolay nor Nikolai.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

If you look at the entries in Google Scholar, you will see that the papers written originally in English almost all refer to him as Nicolai, while the papers translated from Russian often use Nikolai. Nikolay is seldom used. --Bejnar (talk) 07:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

• While he was alive, he authored and published books under Turczaninow, numerous times.[2][3] As a published botanist, he is called Turczaninow,[4] with his author abbreviation as Turcz.. Reliable sources overwhelmingly spell the name Turczaninow.[5] First Light (talk) 18:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree, in the title his last name should be "Turczaninow" with "Turchaninov" as an alternate in the lede (lead). --Bejnar (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with "Turczaninow" as accepted transliteration --Yuri Pirogov (talk) 19:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

• Rename to Nikolai Turczaninow per the above discussion, and because the translation of Nikolai to Nicolai is unnecessary, even unhelpful, to English readers. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
• I also support Rename to Nikolai Turczaninow as the best choice. First Light (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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