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Infobox edit
Should this not have "Infobox civilian attack" similar to Peterloo Massacre? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
- Would that infobox provide more information than the current one? If so, yes. Daicaregos (talk) 18:34, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- They appear to be somewhat similar: [1] and [2]. I must admit I was reacting more on the basis of their names, but the military conflict one seems to be more geared towards a formal battle. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- It's not altogether clear whether a military v. civilian conflict like this counts as a "military conflict" or a "civilian attack" in terms of WP infoboxes. Should we ask for an opinion at somewhere like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history? But the existing infobox does the job, doesn't it? Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:34, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- PS: At Talk:Peterloo Massacre/Archive 1#Infobox there was a discussion that seems to have concluded that the "military conflict" infobox was appropriate. It was only changed to the "civilian attack" one a few weeks ago here, and no-one seems to have commented. I'll ask them whether they've noticed! Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:42, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- Doing some actual legwork! (as usual) - thanks, Ghm. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- They appear to be somewhat similar: [1] and [2]. I must admit I was reacting more on the basis of their names, but the military conflict one seems to be more geared towards a formal battle. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Newport Tithe Map edit
The National Library of Wales have released a high resolution version of the 1840's Newport tithe map to Commons. Perhaps it would be good to include the map/or part of the map in this article. See the full map and high res sections. Thanks Jason.nlw (talk) 16:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Commuting the sentence edit
In the recent TV series Victoria, it was shown that Chartists' sentence was commuted personally by Victoria. The wording given here - "the government eventually commuted the sentences" - does not explicitly contradict that, as "the government" is often interpreted vaguely as "someone upstairs", although it is somewhat incorrect. Hence, if there is any direct evidence about who made the decision and when, it would probably be appreciated. --82.131.109.135 (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- TV historical period dramas can be so very seductive, can't they. And very believable. But see the Radio Times article here where it says, quite categorically, "Victoria made no personal intervention, and in fact was generally not known to have much sympathy for her poorer subjects, in contrast to how she’s more sympathetically portrayed in the ITV series." We can't always trust the scriptwriters, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Different Thomas Phillips edit
I've removed this from the In popular culture section.
In August 2019, in the BBC TV series Who Do You Think You Are?, Thomas Phillips, mayor of Newport at the time of the Rising, was revealed to be an ancestor of TV producer Michael Whitehall and of his son, actor and comedian Jack Whitehall.[1][2]
References
- ^ Thomas, Nicholas (15 July 2019). "Jack Whitehall finds Newport ancestor in BBC show Who Do You Think You Are". South Wales Argus. Retrieved 6 August 2019.
- ^ "Jack and Michael Whitehall - Who Do You Think You Are?". The Genealogist. 31 July 2019. Retrieved 6 August 2019.
My reading of the ref from The Genealogist is that the Thomas Jones Phillips who was the ancestor and died around 1842 is not the Thomas Phillips who was mayor at the time, was unmarried, and died in 1867. The Argus writer clearly thinks they're the same but The Genealogist says Only three years after Frost's conviction, Thomas Jones Phillips died. Do revert if I'm wrong. Cavrdg (talk) 12:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- I did get thoroughly confused by this back when the programme was aired e.g. the threads I opened at Talk:Thomas Phillips (mayor)#Date of death and Talk:Thomas Phillips (mayor)#Thomas Jones Phillips or Thomas Phillips? The episode is no longer available on iPlayer. But there is a clip here. The ancestor of the Whitehalls' is solicitor Thomas Jones Philips not the town's mayor Thomas Phillips (mayor). So I have restored that paragraph and have corrected the name, and added the word "former", to try and help make this distinction. The Newport Uprising was a main theme of the WDYTYA programme and certainly warrants a mention here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Edits for NPOV edit
This article has unfortunately had some editing in recent years that have skewed the POV of the article too far over towards those who consider this purely a massacre of civilians. Sympathise as we might with the Chartist cause, all reliable sources agree that the Chartists were armed (and hence not simply "marchers") and no source states definitively that the soldiers within the hotel opened fire first, though some sources state the opposite, and the most reliable sources we have (e.g., David Jones's book) basically state that no-one knows who opened fire first. All sources also agree that the Chartists did fire on the troops in the hotel (Jones states that about 80 shots were fired on the hotel), so to term this a massacre of civilians or mere "marchers" again does not appear to fit with what the sources are telling us.
I've therefore changed references to "marchers" to "Chartists", added a section on what the sources say about who fired first, and added details of the Chartists firing to the article. FOARP (talk) 10:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)