Talk:Netherlands Armed Forces

Frigate

There is a discussion on the Frigate article which editors here may be interested in. 88.106.112.57 (talk) 11:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Quality

This may be a stub, as yet, but what is there is of excellent quality. Especially the description of the Dutch commitment in and withdrawal from Uruzgan is handled accurately and evenhanded. My compliments! VNCCC (talk) 04:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 7 February 2021

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 17:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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Armed forces of the Netherlands → Dutch Armed Forces – This is translation of Nederlandse krijgsmacht. Shadow4dark (talk) 16:59, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURALNESS and WP:CONSISTENT. It's a more natural title and consistent with other similar article titles such as British Armed Forces, United States Armed Forces, Canadian Armed Forces, French Armed Forces, Spanish Armed Forces, etc. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:44, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Natural English and direct translation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 14:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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Dutch Armed Forces → Netherlands Armed Forces – (currently a redirect) Explanation below.

Broadly speaking, the adjective "Dutch" refers to the language and the people (nation) of the Netherlands (demonym), but only situationally in referring to the country in relating to the state (polity).
The official and formal adjective for the country in relating to the state, as used by the government of the Netherlands itself, is "Netherlands", or "Netherlands'" (with an additional apostrophe (')) when possessive.
The related Wiktionary pages: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Netherlands#Adjective, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Dutch#Adjective,

Some examples: the Netherlands Marine Corps, Royal Netherlands Army, Netherlands Coastguard, Netherlands national football team and the former Netherlands Antilles.
For comparison's sake, also note: Arab (people), Arabic (language) and Arabian (country/region), and note the naming of the United States Armed Forces instead of "American Armed Forces".

There are many exceptions to this rule, including terms such as the Dutch empire, Dutch Caribbean, and subsequent modern-day Dutch Caribbean Coast Guard.
The nature of these exceptions is largely based in imperial history, in which they are linguistically "belonging or subject to the Dutch people".
Some of this naming scheme in modern use, like those above is retained for the sake of tradition or historical purposes, and is sometimes used for informality.
No linguistic exception is however applicable to the Netherlands Armed Forces, as the Ministry of Defence confirms the correct usage in the following brochure concerning the ranks and insignia of the Netherlands Armed Forces: https://english.defensie.nl/downloads/leaflets/2016/12/19/the-rank-insignias.

There may be other pages on Wikipedia which erroneously use the adjective "Dutch" where "Netherlands" is correct, I will do my best to inventory these below.
Additionally, I will move to change the list on the following page to reflect both forms as correct usage depending on context: List of adjectival and demonymic forms for countries and nations.

- Other pages that would require name change, found so far:
Military ranks of the Dutch armed forces

- Other pages that would NOT require name change, found so far, with source when applicable:
Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service per: https://english.defensie.nl/latest/news/2019/05/08/a-look-at-the-defence-news-29-april-%E2%80%93-6-may
Dutch Equal Treatment Commission per: https://old.polonia.nl/wp-content/uploads/The-Dutch-Equal-Treatment-Commission-English.pdf
Dutch Safety Board
Dutch royal house

- Jurryaany (talk) 20:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. In line with related pages, and used by official government sources.--Bliekindewater (talk) 11:06, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support as per nom. I'm not convinced that the current title is justified, given the weak supporting evidence at the previous RM. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

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