Talk:Mutya ng Pilipinas

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Mutya ng Pilipinas → Pearl of the Philippines – Per WP:UE, which says, "... If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader." I think this should be a noncontroversial move but, expecting controversy, I've requested it via WP:RM instead of boldly simply moving the article. Of course, a redirect should be left behind at the current Tagalog language name. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:15, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - reasonably plentiful references to "Mutya ng Pilipinas" in Google Books, only 1 reference to "Pearl of the Philippines", a poem by Richard Henry Stoddard about a large pearl the size of an egg which appeared in Harper's magazine in December 1873. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:58, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
• Alternative: rename the article Pearl of the Philippines (beauty pageant), with a redirect from its present name, and recast the Pearl of the Philippines article to be about that specific phrase, mentioning its usage as a beauty pageant name and other usages such as an alternative name for the Pearl of Lao Tzu and as a descriptive designation for various locations in the Philippines which are seen to be referred to as "Pearl of the Philippines" (e.g., Puerto Galera [1], Tawi-Tawi [2] ("southernmost pearl of the Philippines" on a gov.ph page), Marawi [3] ("Marawi City, the 'Islamic Pearl' of the Philippines" in Jihad Watch article), etc. Less attractive alternative: recast the Pearl of the Philippines article as described and redirect to this article with its current naming from Pearl of the Philippines (beauty pageant). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, but "Mutya ng Pilipinas" is WP:COMMONNAME in English sources, so per WP:UE we can use Tagalog names. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose as "Mutya ng Pilipinas" is far and away the most commonly used name in English; I haven't even thought about what is its English translation, tbh. (Is that even the recommend translation?) This is quite different from Pamantasang Lungsod ng Maynila which can be directly translated (or the proper reasoning should be "easily thought of to mean") to "University of the City of Manila" and other similar names. –HTD 17:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

There's no consensus for this. I've created the Pearl of the Philippines article as a disambiguation page. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:02, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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