Talk:Murder of Mallory Manning

I've partly updated but article still needs work

Due to some recent attention in NZ of the poor way FASD is treated in NZ, I heard about Fawcett and was shocked to find this article failed to mention the charge against him being dismissed. I dealt with this as best as I could feeling I had done an okay job. However after doing so I realised that an earlier section discuss her murder treating Fawcett's involvement as factual. With the appeal and dismissal, we clearly can no longer do so.

While I could have just removed his name, it looked to me like a lot of that details wasn't based on physical or otherwise undisputed evidence but instead simply based on what Fawcett told police. Since Fawcett's interviews are now considered unreliable I don't think they're very useful for this article. At best, perhaps we can very briefly mention stuff he said but I'm unconvinced even that is useful.

In any case, until someone can be bothered to do the work, I feel the best solution is simply to remove anything that appears to originate from what Fawcett told police and so I removed everything from after Manning was last picked up [1]. I imagine some stuff about what happened to Fawcett may be clear from other evidence so it's likely we can expand the section a bit but I'm not sure how much. Note it's also possible that some other parts incorrectly present what Fawcett told police as factual, I didn't notice anything but didn't look that carefully.

One difficulty is I suspect at the moment there are very few good sources. Most of the sources were likely written at a time when what Fawcett said was being treated as true or likely true. According to the sources, Fawcett was first interviewed on 10 August 2009 so I think we can treat any sources before then as fine. But any sources from then until the dismissal need to be treated with caution IMO. Although Fawcett wasn't charged until 2012, it seems possible that some of what was told to the media was based on statements made by Fawcett which both accepted as true even though they may not be. It's even possible some details which might be correct may have to be excluded until a source come about which looks carefully at what we know or can reasonably suspect and what may be misinformation given the limits of WP:OR etc.

Nil Einne (talk) 15:56, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

One thing which could be added is how she was killed. With my removal, the metal pole & knife wounds etc stuff are only mentioned in the infobox and lead which isn't good writing. But while this stuff must be undisputed based on the physical evidence I wasn't sure how to re-incorporate it so I've left it be. It's possible it might be better to move into the investigation section as findings from an autopsy. Nil Einne (talk) 16:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Change of name in title

Sources indicate her name is spelt Mellory not Mallory. Can someone change that please. Clooless (talk) 08:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Who is the subject of this article?

This article could be about the murder of Mellory Manning -although I'm not clear why it is so notable that it deserves its own page. Most murders in NZ and anywhere else in the world do not warrant their own page in WP.

I am more inclined to think the name of the article should be titled The wrongful conviction of Mauha Fawcett - similar to the Wrongful conviction of Alan Hall. Clooless (talk) 09:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)