Talk:Mrs. Landingham

Citation

If anyone has the following, or access to the following, it could be the beginning of the citations for this article: Author Sorkin, Aaron, Title The West Wing : script book, Pub Info New York : Newmarket Press, c2002, Edition 1st ed, ISBN: 978-1557044990 as well as this site: http://www.westwingepguide.com/. At least it will give some credence to the article as it will begin to reference other sites or published works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjnelan (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Redirect

Regarding this edit summary, I would like to clarify that the article has been redirected due to its lack of sources to establish notability. Please do not restore the article without providing reliable secondary sources which discuss Mrs. Landingham directly in detail. --Explodicle (T/C) 03:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Death of Actress

At the end of the Character biography, it says "She died June 2, 2012 from lung cancer." That was the actress. Since this is an article about a fictional character, why is this here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.254.238 (talk) 00:11, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

@Fourthords: I'm curious as to why you thanked the edit on the talk page? That seems like one of the more inconsequential edits i made. Thanks for revising most of my edits, I think with both the article isn't C-class anymore.theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mrs. Landingham/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Pamzeis (talk · contribs) 14:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll give this one a shot. Seems quite interesting. Alert me if I screw anything up. Pamzeis (talk) 14:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Prose and links

• Something that won't affect GA but there seem to be an awful lot of duplinks
• Be consistent with The West Wing vs West Wing
• season two finale "Two Cathedrals" — comma after finale
• In the Infobox, Pilot is italicised while its article does not have it italicised and instead in questionsquotation marks—which is it?
• the first two seasons of The West Wing. She — what is The West Wing?
• Landingham is a much-beloved character — I might just be nitpicking things here but this bit doesn't really sound neutral

• I changed it to "beloved"—in my opinion, reliable sources consensus is that she really was a beloved character by fans and the sources themselves. There wasn't much to dislike about Mrs. Landingham, she wasn't a tortured or complex figure.

• continued through at least — through to?
• Mrs. Landingham's character came in the → Mrs. Landingham's character comes in the (MOS:PLOT)
• you know," said Mrs. → you know," says Mrs. (MOS:PLOT)
• Mrs. Landingham accompanied Toby Ziegler → Mrs Landingham accompanies Toby Ziegler
• sometimes served as Bartlet's → sometimes serves as Bartlet's
• two finale episode "Two Cathedrals" following — commas around "Two Cathedrals"?
• why she was doing this, she asserted her → why she is doing this, she asserts her
• we're wrong... then → we're wrong{{nbsp}}... then
• the show's present moment — what is "the show's present moment"?

• It's the present moment in the show's timeline, rather than a flashback. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

• The president is reconsidering ... asks the President to list ... the President was particularly — consistency?
• The West Wing's present — the show no long airs... how can it be its "present"?

• I think that was intended to mean that on the continuous timeline, Mrs. Landingham was played by Joosten, but played by Nelson during flashbacks. I've cut it

• series that was then shooting — not really sure what purpose "then" serves
• The following summer, Joosten — in Australia, it is Christmas during summer
• good for me personally." — move the full stop outside the quotation mark
• secretary. in The — capital letter
• the humanity she brought to — kinda WP:VOICEy
  • I changed it to Sorkin praised the compassion Joosten played Mrs. Landingham with, is that good?
• numerous to count." — move the full stop outside the quotation mark
• meaningful interactions with — another WP:VOICEy bit
  • I tried to more directly attribute it to the source
• External links should be last per MOS:ORDER
• Per MOS:BIB, "bibliography" is discouraged

• I left some comments, but everything else is  Done

Verifiability and reliability

Version reviewed

• What makes Showbiz Cheat Sheet a reliable source?

• I've removed it from the facts section, but kept it in for its own opinion. I'm happy to remove that too, if needed.
  • It's alright for a GA but just note that it likely won't pass for an FA

• AingGF on all the sources I can't read
• In #Character role, if the source doesn't mention a particular plot point, I will assume that it is referenced to the show
• fn 2: what I can see is this: "Stacker compiled a list of 25 jobs in the White House by consulting official White House and government websites, news reports and interviews, historical accounts, and academic sources." I'm not sure what this means but it appears Stacker is the originator of the source. This might be the direct link.

• Is there an action that needs to be taken here? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• fn 3: which bit supports her "guidance in the form of honest mentorship and good-natured banter, rather than playing a central political role"?

• @Pamzeis: From Parry-Giles: "Her role, though, is very much limited to behind-the-scenes status. She inspires the governor-turned-president from the role as secretary rather than as a visible actor in the political sphere." theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
• I couldn't find the sourcing to support mentorship as banter, although I'll leave a message on Fourthords' talk page to figure out if they've got something I don't.

• fn 9: which bit supports "While at a charity dinner with West Wing cast and crew, Joosten told series creator Aaron Sorkin that she had been approached for a regular role in a TV series that was then shooting its pilot. This inadvertently inspired Sorkin to create serious drama for the Bartlet character by suddenly killing off his lifelong family friend and secretary"?

• source 13, check the archived version

Other

• I can barely see the character in File:Mrs. Landingham.png. Is there any chance a higher quality one can be provided?

• Is this better?

  There seem to be many images of higher quality on the internet but yeah, it'll suffice

• File:Kathryn Joosten at 2009 Primetime Emmy Awards.jpg's caption does not "establish ... the picture's relevance to the article" as per MOS:CAPTION

•  Done, I've removed the image

That's all I have for now. Will do spotchecks next week.

That's what I got on a first pass. Article  On hold. Ping me once these are resolved and I'll take a second look. (I haven't seen the article beyond what I've reviewed.) Pamzeis (talk) 11:19, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

@Pamzeis: thanks so much! I've made the requested changes, and left notes where i did it with reservations. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

• @Pamzeis: This is all i've got for you so far; anything else? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Second look

All seems good! Well done, leek. This article has been  Passed! Pamzeis (talk) 07:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so, so much! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 05:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the California State Assembly held a moment of silence over the death of fictional character Mrs. Landingham while in the midst of an energy crisis? Source: [1]

• Reviewed: Komm, Herr, segne uns
• Comment: First nomination from promoting an article to GA! I always get really flustered when I write my own hooks (i'm all excitedddd and giddy), so if someone could suggest ALTs, that'd be super helpful.

Improved to Good Article status by Theleekycauldron (talk). Self-nominated at 07:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC).

• Congratulations on the GA, very nice work. Article satisfies newness (GA on 11/17) and length. Well-written, neutral and sourced. Hook is short enough, clever/interesting, neutral, and in-line cited to NYT. QPQ satisfied. Cbl62 (talk) 09:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks for the speedy review! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 09:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I neglected to do an earwig review earlier. I have now done it. Direct quotes are brief, placed in quotation marks, and properly attributed. All looks good. Cbl62 (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• quick thing: if the promoter could in fact do me a solid and place this hook in slot 5 or 7 (for reasons), t'would be appreciated :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:37, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Promoting to Prep 7 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 05:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)