Talk:Millard Fuller

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This article is heavily sugarcoated in favor of its subject. I don't know anything about Millard Fuller, but it's obvious from the language used to describe him that there is a definite intent to create a positive impression. Surely this guy has done a lot of good, in my opinion, but this reads like a brochure. As an example, here is one of the paragraphs as I changed it:

In January of 2005, Millard and Linda Fuller were fired from the organization they founded and nurtured were involved with for 29 years. Rather than dwelling on the end of a career, Fuller immediately began planning for the next phase of his life's work and in April he and Linda and a group of like-minded partners founded The Fuller Center for Housing. This new organization provides a vehicle for Fuller to continue striving toward the his goal of eliminating poverty housing. This ministry has gotten off to such a positive start that it is clearly another inspired venture. The Fuller Center will raise money for housing efforts around the world worldwide, and provide a base from which Fuller can continue his remarkable work in for motivating donors and volunteers to join him in his quest to make decent shelter available to all of God's people its cause.

And why were they fired, exactly? I don't know enough about this person to overhaul the whole article, but I can tell that someone needs to. Apparently the greater mass of the article was written by one person, and it's full of phrasing particular to the type of religious organizations Fuller has founded, i.e. "all of God's people," "Christ's teachings" (instead of something like "Christian philosophy"), "soul-searching," "acting in faith," and so on. What's wrong with this kind of phrasing is that it's essentially meaningless to non-Christians--it's inside lingo invested with the religious sentiment of its believers. So, a lot of the descriptions here need to be reworded, and someone who knows about this guy should help balance out the bio. --Aratuk 07:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Why were they fired? There is actually some controversy around that. Fuller was accused of sexual harrassment by an employee of the organization. The charges were never substantiated, but the organization fired him for failing to cooperate with the investigation. If we're talking about toning down the language in the article, I think this fact should also be included. Source is http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/106/12.0.html --AaronM 15:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I know Millard Fuller. While some may think it is sugar-coated, the description of him in the original article is quite accurate. It is because of his drive and dedication that Habitat For Humanity became a household name. The Fuller family, lead by Millard and his wife Linda, virtually singlehandedly developed and nurtured the organization from an idea to a important force in combatting homelessness in the world. The organization recently completed it's 200,000th home. I estimate over 500,000 people now have decent housing directly because of the actions of this couple.

Re: his leaving. You have to consider the possibility that the termination had more to do with conflicts with the board leadership than with the unsubstantiated, unfiled charges against Mr. Fuller. PJG0309 17:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I was involved in the termination process of Millard Fuller. The sexual harrassment allegations were baseless and untrue. They were just a front for the Board of Directors to get rid of Fuller. While the move may have been necessary for the betterment of Habitat for Humanity, it is absolutely disgraceful and sickening to sne Mr. Fuller off that way, considering that he poured his entire life into Habitat and made it the incredible philanthropy it is today. The Board simply resorted to disgusting tactics to rid itself of Mr. Fuller.

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OK, as requested I've tried to make this article impartial and present both sides of the story. Is anybody happy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Southerngs (talk • contribs) 04:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines for an introductory paragraph state that it should be general in nature, giving impetus to what will follow. I’ve removed the inflammatory quotes from the preceding version’s first paragraph because they do not belong in an introductory paragraph. Points about the subject’s employment and termination should fall chronologically in the body of the text and not be given undue weight by being placed in the introduction.

Additionally, User southerngs says he/she tried to “lend some impartiality to what was written by insiders.” The original version of this entry is what is currently listed on Habitat for Humanity’s web page regarding their founder, as well as on the bio page of The Fuller Center for Housing regarding the same. Yes, it did read like an advert, understandably, since both organizations have much to gain from presenting their founder positively, so the current version reflects a more neutral perspective and less of an effort to impress.

One can infer from the previous version that “both sides of the story” must refer to Mr. Fuller’s termination, not his whole life. I’ve rewritten this entry to be more comprehensive of his life - his upbringing, education, philosophical influences, life experiences and accomplishments. I've also included a reference to the details of his termination. Fullercenter (talk) 22:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

The Article also covers the "Fuller Centre for Housing" so a redirect from that Hugo999 (talk) 15:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Date of death in dispute

Different reliable sources report the date of death as Monday, February 2, 2009 or Tuesday, February 3, 2009. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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I do not agree that this article is 'written like an advertisement.' Habitat needs no advertisement; its success is common knowledge worldwide. To change the article to a 'neutral' point of view would be tantamount to lying by omission. Millard Fuller is synonymous with 'devout Christian' and — to be truthful — any description of him / his work must show his deep faith undiminished by any editing for 'neutrality.' (74.75.142.19 16:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC))

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Offensively religious writing in body of article

Regardless of how devout (or not) Mr. Fuller or his sponsors might have been,phrases such as "Jordan espoused an expression of Christianity which motivated him and the Fullers to seek ways to express God's love to their poorer neighbors" is highly offensive to non-evangelicals, reeks with noblesse oblige, and is §highly inappropriate in a Wikipedia submission. It, or perhaps the entire article, should be deleted if the author is incapable of sounding so thoroughly ideological. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MengZheLi (talk • contribs) 22:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)