Talk:Mehmet Şerif Fırat

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that after Mehmet Şerif Fırat supported the Turkish Military in defeating the Sheikh Said rebellion, he was sent into internal exile together with relatives of the leaders of the rebellion? Source: Rebel Land: Unraveling the history in a Turkish town pp.151–152 Christopher de Bellaigue

ALT1... that to a reprint of Mehmet Şerif Fırats book in which he denied the existence of Kurds, the Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a praising foreword in 1961? for in that book he (Mehmet Serif Firat) denied the existence of Kurds ... Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a glowing introduction in the 1961 reissue of Firats History of Varto and the Eastern Provinces.Rebel Land: Unraveling the history in a Turkish townpp.40-41 Christopher de Bellaigue

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Winifred Brown
  • Comment: The source for the hooks are accessible over Internet Archive

Created by Paradise Chronicle (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - I think there is potentially a NPOV issue. The article dispassionately documents some of the absurd claims made in Firat's book. However, the uninformed reader has no way of knowing whether these claims are right or wrong. Are there any RS that compare Firat's claims to the academic consensus on Kurdish history? Or discuss why Firat, a person of Kurdish origin would propagate these theories?
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I think ALT1 as written is too difficult to understand. ALT0 is fine though (t · c) buidhe 05:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks User:Buidhe for the review and comment. And you are right. I forgot that maybe it could be understood that Wikipedia also saw these views as true. Gürsel himself points to the findings of foreign scholars about an existence of Kurds in his foreword. I added some words on Gürsel's views on them and that those scholars contradict his views. Other works I read appear to assume the reader knows Kurds exist etc. He is mainly known for that foreword, similar books exist several, but none with a foreword by an acting Turkish President. But I can follow your NPOV concerns and the original hook is also quite surprising.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Buidhe and Paradise Chronicle: Are the issues fixed? Been a while since the last comment. --LordPeterII (talk) 08:04, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I have added some info of what the Cambridge Dictionary of Kurds had to say about the book and mentioned also what the Turkish president thought of the foreign scholars. I hope this addresses the concerns.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm supporting promotion at this point, the article could still be improved but I think it's ready for DYK. (t · c) buidhe 08:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC)