Talk:Marmaduke Dixon (mountaineer)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that New Zealand mountaineer Marmaduke Dixon nearly achieved the first ascent of the country's highest mountain, Aoraki / Mount Cook, when he came within 100 feet (30 m) of the summit? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • ALT1: ... that New Zealand mountaineer Marmaduke Dixon came within 100 feet (30 m) of the first ascent of the country's highest mountain, Aoraki / Mount Cook? Source: "Between 1885 and 1890, in response to the stimulus given to mountaineering in New Zealand by the visit of the Rev W. S. Green, Dixon accompanied G. E. Mannering on adventurous work in the Southern Alps, including several attempts on the virgin Mount Cook, which he ascended to within 100 feet of the summit." page 210

• Reviewed: Bodashtart
• Comment: I'm nominating two articles of identical base name (this is the son; father's nomination is here) and maybe we want to run them together in the same hook set to cause some intrigue. There is a non-free graphic of first ascent attempts and I'll see whether I can find a suitable free photo and superimpose the various climbs. If I succeed, I'll add the image to this hook.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I'd suggest rewording the hook from "nearly achieved" to "came within 100 feet (30 m) of ..." —Bagumba (talk) 10:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

ALT1 as requested. Thanks for the review. Schwede66 03:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

With regards to my comment above about producing a photo with the climbing route superimposed, that has proven to be a lot more tricky than I thought. Here's the photo that I wanted to emulate. And whilst there are a good 200 photos of Mount Cook on Commons, that particular photo is taken from well within the Alps where most mortals would never venture. I found exactly one photo that has a very similar view (the Mannering / Dixon route would be on the extreme left) but the quality of the photo isn't flash. I give up; it'll have to run without a photo. Schwede66 04:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Approve ALT1.—Bagumba (talk) 18:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see anything in the source about this being the first ascent of the mountain. Yoninah (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, that would be correct as he didn't achieve the first ascent. He came within 100 feet of the summit. The hook says that he nearly achieved the first ascent, as does the quoted source ("the virgin Mount Cook"). See also this graphic. Schwede66 18:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Schwede66: I am saying that footnote 2 does not confirm the fact that he was attempting the first ascent. It doesn't even mention that he was trying for the first ascent. It would be better to use the graphic that compares the dates of the ascents. Yoninah (talk) 18:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, I see. I've swapped the ref. Thanks for checking! Schwede66 18:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. Restoring tick per Bagumba's review. Yoninah (talk) 19:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)