Talk:Louise de Kérouaille, Duchess of Portsmouth

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Sometimes known as "Madam Carwell" in England at the time... AnonMoos (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Carwell and Carewell"

As of this date, the passages connecting Louise's name to the supposedly ironic and certainly slanderous Carwell and Carewell names as noted above are removed pending authors' providing suitable documentation in the form of citation and references. Also Louise was a breton (une bretonne) and so the use of the word Briton is probably a misattribution. Readers should know that the breton name Kerouaille would have been pronounced in breton in a manner similar to the English word carewell. The name has two parts Ker and the rest, "ouaille." Ker in breton means farm, or village. Breton, Cornish, and Welsh share common celtic roots, where celtic languages are distinct form the anglo-saxon precedents which lead to modern English. One can find locations throughout western Great Britain that start with the syllable Car or Caer. In Brittany, the central administrative town of Carhaix is understood at one time to have been called Kerahes. So the link of Kerouaille to Carewell likely starts with a linguistic connection which is also a bit of cross cultural pun. The second part of the name, "ouaille" pronounced in breton cane easily be heard as "well...." and so the story is easier to discern. The names sound the same and Carewell provides an opportunity to mock, or worse, to slander. But without proper attributions and citations that phrasing should not remain in the page. (This note written by a breton, who is also a modern day cousin of Louise...). ~~

Descendants?

The article mentions her descendants but has no mention of her child/ren. I came across this article when reading about Barbara Palmer, I don't know much about the Duchess of Portsmouth. If anyone knows who her child/ren please add. -- 13:30, 23 July 2008 67.87.35.13

The article states that, "Her son Charles (1672–1723) was created Duke of Richmond in 1675." Charles (given the surname Lennox) was a son of King Charles II. WCCasey (talk) 19:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Charles Lennox. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.66.69 (talk) 21:51, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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The article says that Diana, Princess of Wales is one of her descendants. This is also claimed on the wiki page for Barbara Palmer. Clearly these can't both be true. Anyone have any references for this? 98.207.155.182 (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Why can't both be true? WCCasey (talk) 19:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I posted this on Barbara Palmers page too according to http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Charles_II_of_England "Diana, Princess of Wales was descended from two of Charles's illegitimate sons, the Duke of Grafton and the Duke of Richmond (who is also a direct ancestor of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, second wife of Charles, Prince of Wales)." Grafton was the son of Palmer and Richmond was De Kerouaille — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 16:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Also me 83.137.6.163 (talk) 13:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Cause of death

I recently saw a BBC documentary series hosted by Lucy Worsley ("Harlots, Housewives, and Heroines") and the first part dealt primarily with the court ladies of Charles II, including Louise de Kerouaille. At around the 50-minute mark, they start discussing some writings of Nell Gwynn, wherein she makes comments about Louise fleeing back to France [with venereal disease]. Is this true, or just random insults from a competitor? It would be great if someone with info could add the cause of death to this article, regardless, to satisfy the curious. *Vendetta* _{(whois talk edits)} 05:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Name

The name of Louise in french (and breton) is Keroual, from her family name and manoir : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manoir_de_Keroual. The name is not Kerouaille or Kerouale or Kéroual with an accent. The title of this page should be changed. I prefer that some english speaking person does it :-). Madamedekeravel (talk) 10:07, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree that there is a problem. A quick survey suggests that the most common spelling in English over the years has been "Quéroualle", but I find no good evidence for any form containing an "i". So where do we go from here? If anyone can find an example of the name written in her own hand, I suggest that her own spelling be used, but such a thing may not exist. There are good arguments for using the modern spelling, which is simple, but some people may object to adopting such an approach. Does anyone else have any ideas? Incidentally, I notice that in her book "Mistresses" Linda Porter uses the spelling "Kéroualle". LynwoodF (talk) 09:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)