Talk:Unknown years of Jesus

Nicolas Notovich

Actually the texts described were found twice by independent researchers. I will provide details later. Max Mueller was a liar who never even attempted to translate the Rig Veda. He farmed it out to another "scholar" who just invented the whole so called translations. The reason for Mueller refuting this is that he did not want to be revealed as a fraud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.68.4 (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Regardless of Mueller, Notovich is not even WP:FRINGE, but a blatant hoax. Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Swami Abhedananda would have to have been in on the hoax as well, for his findings, as per this article and the article linked about him specifically, appear supportive of the Notovich account.SteamWiki (talk)

@SteamWiki: Sorry, but your personal opinion is irrelevant, since we never write the Wikipedia articles according to the personal opinions of our editors. We only recognize claims made by WP:RS. For Notovitch the WP:RS/AC is quite clear that he was a hoaxer. No amount of edit warring could revive Notovitch's credibility: it is dead in the water. Tgeorgescu (talk) 21:11, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Facts are --there are accusations against Notovich as per the article, however there is also no refutation of the Swami Abhedananda account at this time which confirms the Notovich account in that Abhedananda went to the monastery, found documents about Jesus that closely resembled the Notovich representation and published his summary of it. If any refutations to Abhedananda appear from notable sources, yes, they should be added to the article.SteamWiki (talk) 14:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

WP:RS is a never-ending spiral (like peer review) of 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'. We know from Einstein challenging the gaps in Newton's theories that we have to think outside the box to make progress. Sticking to established protocols and accepted maxims paints us into the corner of the room. Scientists make breakthroughs when they dare to question 'unquestionable facts'.

We may never know about the Lost Years. Everything is speculation. He may have gone to Egypt or he may have been abducted by aliens. Given that Gnosticism has elements of Hindu and Buddhist philosophy it's not a far cry to suppose He spent time with the Essenes, Gnostics, Yoga masters, who knows? Carpentry apprenticeships don't exactly take 18 years, do they? By the way is there any record of Him building anything? With respect and humour... Ningnongtwit (talk) 12:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Bar Mitzvah

13 is the age of the bar mitzvah

It is now, but the ritual we know as Bar Mitzvah did not exist until the Middle Ages. We are by no means certain that a Jewish boy of 13 living towards the end of the period of the Second Temple would have been considered a spiritual adult. ubiquity (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Yup, you might be right about bar mitzvah, but see Ratcliff, Donald; Ratcliff, Brenda (1 January 2010). ChildFaith: Experiencing God and Spiritual Growth with Your Children. Wipf and Stock Publishers. p. 8. ISBN 978-1-60608-552-3. Technically, the Bible does not impose limits upon the marriageable age. In traditional societies getting pubic hair meant you're marriageable. Rashi inferred from the example with Isaac and Rebecca that girls may marry starting with 3 years old. Remaining Pagan after the age of 3 would have made Rebecca unfit for marrying a cohen. The rabbis insist that such requirement worked retroactively for Isaac and Rebecca. Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)