Talk:List of video games notable for speedrunning

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Minecraft — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.171.175.179 (talk) 08:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

ElastoMania

Should this game be mentioned? Essentially, a big part of its community and popularity has to do with setting world records for completion of each level. However, since the game itself is pretty much *based* on setting time records (though you could always just play it for fun and not pay much attention to the timer), it might not qualify here. Otherwise, there'd be way too many high-score/time based games that are missing here also. Discuss? 99.227.67.198 (talk) 01:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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NetHack data

The average ascension length and standard deviation are based on data at http://paxed.alt.org/asc_turns.txt (which is a listing of turncounts for all ascensions). The raw stats are:

3670 ascensions 222234184 turns mean: 60554.27356948229 std. dev.: 304882.33954543853 median: 44387 Q1: 32061 Q3: 60385 IQR: 28324

I then removed outliers, which I defined as any data point > 1.5*interquartile range less than Q1 or greater than Q3.

1.5*IQR: 42486.0 excluding turncounts <0.0 or >102871.0 removed 0 lower outliers removed 158 upper outliers

There were no lower outliers. The upper outliers are probably pudding farming games. After removing outliers, we get:

3512 ascensions 162119476 turns mean: 46161.58200455581 std. dev.: 19361.18022824035 median: 43354 Q1: 31576 Q3: 57987 IQR: 26411

The source code for these calculations is available upon request (I'm not sure it's okay to post it all here.) Dr. Sunglasses talk) 21:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom of Loathing

This games seems to be a prime example of speedruns. Once upon a time there was no real endgame objective, but since the introduction of ascension, some players have competed for speedrun records —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.36.179.90 (talk) 00:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Is Final Fantasy IX notable

While not as popular as many other games, Final Fantasy IX is unusual (though probably not unique) in having an in-game reward for speedrunning. The Excalibur II can only be obtained by reaching a certain location very near the end of the game within 12 hours. 94.194.66.92 (talk) 22:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources

This article has over 50 footnotes, and not a single one is a reference to a reliable secondary source. We should probably think about gutting it and starting afresh using the "Journal, newspaper and magazine articles" which are curiously unused. Marasmusine (talk) 22:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Since no-one has objected, I have begun stripping the original research. Marasmusine (talk) 08:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I suppose I should note that I have made sure all content on Mario, Zelda, Metroid and the new inclusions Dark Souls and Spelunky are covered by reliable sources. I've also split the actual citations and the notes that people have thrown in there. I have barely touched Doom and Quake as I am really not sure how to handle the "ancient history" of speedrunning. I've removed a large table, but that's basically it. I hope at some point, someone will come along with some great articles and perhaps books on the topic, as I am sure those exist. Either way, I would approve of all unreliable sources (such as YouTube videos and most primary sources from Speed Demos Archives) be removed, even if that leaves content unsourced. ~Mable (chat) 15:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Minesweeper

I'm not sure if this game should get mentioned (because speed is the primary objective anyway), but if it should, it is definitely the most popular. --91.63.26.174 (talk) 09:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

What to add for the Pokémon section, should it even exist?

Besides the Dokokashira door glitch, are the games even that notable for speedrunning? 101.103.50.180 (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Just add a picture of werster. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 17:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The first generation games additionally had an exploit known as save corruption that allow you to beat the game in under 1 minute (in-game time). Because save corruption essentially makes the speedrun trivial, a separate category called "No Save Corruption" allows the player to beat the game in under 15 minutes while still playing at least some of the intended game. It is true that Dokokashira was patched in the Japanese updates and the international releases of Red and Green (Blue), however a handful of glitches still allow for arbitrary code execution or direct memory manipulation via inventory underflow that, once achieved, allow the player to warp directly to the credits. Similarly, in the US release of Gold and Silver, the Coin Case contains a bug that enables the player to execute arbitrary instructions and skip the entire game from Goldenrod City onward. Pikalax 23:19, 29 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikalax (talk • contribs)

Kahmuhl or Cummuhl?

@93.74.74.87: According to the sources ([1] and [2]), the speedrunner is called "Kahmuhl", not "Cummuhl". Where did you get that name? ~Mable (chat) 09:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

It's "Kahmul" (Kahmul78 actually) and he doesn't even have the WR anymore. It's also not fair to say that the speedrunners don't use glitches in sub-50 runs (sub-50 would barely even be top-10, BTW). They use tons of them. 173.160.130.14 (talk) 00:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

The article doesn't say that people don't use major glitches to beat the game within 50 minutes, but that it is possible to do so. Either way, if Kahmmul's record is outdated now anyway, I suppose I'll remove it. Thanks :) ~Mable (chat) 05:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome, but that entire section is a mess. Kiln skip is still run on Xbox 360 (a different route than the one which also worked on PlayStation 3 is run, and it's 360-exclusive and actually requires the patch). And bringing up any% runs of DS2 like that is awkward because the 45-minute DS1 runs are also any% (all-bosses WR is just under 75 minutes, and kahmul still has that one). The tricks that make such a short DS2 run possible have also been patched out, but runners just use old versions of the game (when they run it, it's not a hugely popular category). 173.160.130.14 (talk) 09:08, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

While writing that, I based the section completely on the sources. I don't actually know much about speedrunning in Dark Souls, so I may have understood the things written in the sources incorrectly. ~Mable (chat) 12:44, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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Proposal: Add Celeste

The game seems to have been designed for speedrunning. The game attracted a sizable speedrunning community and I believe it deserves a spot on this list. I'm looking for consensus because I'm not completely sure if it is notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InvalidOS (talk • contribs) 12:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Support: Almost 900 people have registered an Any% time on Speedrun.com, and the game featured at AGDQ in 2016, 2018 and 2019. In light of this, I reckon that at least a Celeste entry on this page should be created, and I'd even support an article specifically for Celeste speedruns. - OliverEastwood talk 04:34, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Support: I don't see why it doesn't already have an entry. It has been a popular speedgame since day 1. Condontdoit296 (talk) 19:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Support: I agree with this. There are 1802 runs as of writing this, it is one of the most run games on speedrun.com Trcceooo (talk) 10:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. As of writing this, the game is in 6th place in games with most players in speedrun.com, 4th in most runs, and 7th place in most active. I see no reason not to mention it, and talk about the many additions throughout the years made to appease more runners. Rickfernello (talk) 21:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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Jet Set Radio series

even though it is a small community Jet Set Radio and Jet Set Radio Future are known for speedrunning due to both games showing up at GDQ and being on speedrun.com and I think they should at least be mentioned St. Jimmy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:41, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Battle for Bikini Bottom

Thought I'd make note of this here. SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom has had an extremely active speedrunning community over the last few years, leading to such a great rise in the game's popularity that a complete HD remake is set to release this June, 17 years after the original game's release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The9thBit (talk • contribs) 04:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Definitely! BFBB is one of the most run games, maybe a small section should be added to the popular games list. --I said this! [insert witty meta-text on wikipedia signatures here] 23:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Why does this page exist?

How are these games more notable than any other games, like Sonic and Minecraft?

• Because these games are notable for their speedrunning history/community, as the title says. Sonic does get quite a bit of love from GDQ, so perhaps deserves a mention. Also, please sign your edits (four tildes).Dhalamh (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Mr. Krabs Overdoses on Ketamine

Please someone add this. PinpointJoker57 (talk) 12:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

PinpointJoker57, has it been covered in reliable sources? Ionmars10 (talk) 16:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Improvements to be made

For this article to be improved, Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart Wii should be added. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

OoT

The description of the "current" OoT Any% WR is outdated. In general it is probably better to rephrase it and not use the word "current", to avoid false statements. 2003:E0:4F20:8800:38A0:C794:35A2:8B29 (talk) 00:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hollow Knight

Should a section be added for Hollow Knight? The game has a very active speedrunning community, and maybe it should be mentioned on this page. 2601:5CD:4180:42A0:28B1:DACC:6766:8DFF (talk) 23:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

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Seems like an unnecessary level of detail, and is mostly unsourced (especially if we ask for RS).

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Mario Kart Wii

Is Mario Kart Wii notable for it's own section? Like within the Mario Kart Series section. NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 05:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)