Talk:List of dragons in mythology and folklore

Claim that Grendel was a dragon

I've never seen anyone claim that Grendel was a dragon, nor is there any textual evidence of this. So I cut.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.110.93 (talk • contribs)

Good edit. I agree. DreamGuy 05:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The Grendel article suggests that it was a bipedal dragon. --41.17.9.34 (talk) 06:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Tiamat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:7E1F:8400:9CAE:E9B9:6AE6:9981 (talk) 03:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

She's a goddess, not a dragon. I mean, if you bothered to read the article, you'd know that.--Mr Fink (talk) 04:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I imagine this person added this note here about Tiamat is because the article goes on to read, "Some sources identify her with images of a sea serpent or dragon." with citation. I suppose the question is how much dragon or serpent does it take to get on this list? Jooojay (talk) 18:18, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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Merger discussion for List of dragons

List of dragons, an article that may be of interest to readers of this page, has been proposed for merging with List of dragons in popular culture. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

The article List of dragons in popular culture has very limited citations and is an article with other issues including trivial information. I would like to see that other article improved (or deleted) before any merger was even considered. Jooojay (talk) 00:22, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Oppose This list is already long and still could benefit from the expansion of under-represented cultures. I agree with the previous point that this page contains lots of trivial references. Mythology and folklore are also traditional knowledge rather than fiction. A list of all dragons in human culture would be too long in my opinion. Do you have any reasons why a merger would be favourable?--Ingwina (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Assistance please

I'm trying to add an entry to Asian dragons: | rowspan="3"| [[Meitei]] dragons |'''[[Taoroinai]]''' |The [[Moon god|god of the moon]] who brought a divine egg to earth so it could hatch into an earthly king. |-

But everything I try pushes "Persian dragons" into a subcategory. Rather than mess it up, would anyone be so kind as to place this content in the chart? Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Merge List of dragons in mythology and folklore and List of dragons in popular culture

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus is not super strong, but at worst, consensus after several months seems to be in favor of not merging. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 04:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Why keep those two lists seprate? List of dragons in popular culture was previously named List of dragons in fiction. But mythology and folkore are part of fiction and part of popular culture too. The division between such topics is blurry. It would be best to keep this in one article (List of dragons). And while merging, I suggest removing all unreferenced parts as failing WP:V, or at least removing all non-notable dragons (ones that don't have a separate article) per WP:IPC/WP:NOTTVTROPES. PS. We should probably merge the lists of dragons by medium into this one list two, we can have a column describing which medium a given dragon appeared in (literature, film, game, etc.). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:19, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Support The history of these articles is long and tortured, but the article fork into popular culture was totally unnecessary and the popular culture content can be drastically pared down with only blue links and fully referenced entries. The popular culture article should be moved to List of dragons, incorporate the mythology content, and also get a history merge from Lists of dragons, where the list was before 2007. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose This list is already long and merging it with an already long article would only worsen that. I don't really see the benefit of a merger. I also would emphasise that not only is it debatable if all of these dragons would come under "popular culture" given that some may not have been brought into modern tellings and so on, but more critically I strongly disagree with the argument that "mythology and folklore" are intrinsically "fiction". As I have argued elsewhere, regardless of whatever metaphyiscal reality we personally believe in regarding them, they either are, or have been, conceived of by their intended audience as real in a manner very distinct from works of fiction. If we wouldn't include the Abrahamic god or Shiva on "lists of fictional beings" or even "beings in popular culture", I would argue we shouldn't do the same for other beings from other traditional beliefs that are either less well known or less believed in in the modern period. Ingwina (talk) 06:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Ingwina: Merging them does not imply that mythology is fiction, since it would just be "List of dragons". Therefore I don't get this argument. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

That's fair enough if the name is to be "List of dragons" and all other lists of dragons would be merged in too :) I'd still stick with my argument that it would be an enormous article and natural splits would make it more manageable. Ingwina (talk) 06:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose these are two very different categories that should not be haphazardly combined. SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. These lists are lengthy, and there's a clear divide between mythology and popular culture. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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