Talk:List of Brahmins/Archive 1

Archive 1

Proposed move of List of Brahmins

In the Article List of Brahmins which is almost an advertising content like List, there are no references to assume it verifiable and reliable as well as the topic is not notable to have separate page on Wikipedia as there are other so many groups of people in India and it will be just a mess up. There is already notable people section on every page , so this article should be moved/merged/deleted. Manupriy Ahluwalia (talk) 09:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

–– If this page is deleted then so should pages like "List of Sikhs", "List of Rajputs", "List of Jats" etc. Otherwise you're being biased.

Pkwssis (talk) 14:38, 14 December 2019 (UTC) Pkwssis

Copy and Paste

A lot of this article appears to be copy and paste from the article Telugu Brahmins. This article will need some serious attention before someone nominates it for deletion. Democraticmacguitarist (talk) 00:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

About this article

1. This article is in user space because it was the subject of a deletion discussion which decided to delete.
2. A deletion review would be required before it could be recreated.
3. I see you've been working hard on this list, but if you look in the history (e.g. this version) you'll see that it used to be in pretty good shape.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

you missed out the great footballers of bengal eg chuni goswami, p k banerjee, etc. a lesser known fact: about half of the mohun bagan players in that famous 1911 ifa shield were brahmins. in fact brahmins have dominated bengal football for decades, right up to the 1980s.

you also missed out the fact that most of the people involved in killing mohandas karamchand gandhi were brahmins, including nathuram godse and narayan apte, both of whom were executed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.16.66 (talk) 15:56, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

the founders of rss were also brahmins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.16.66 (talk) 16:22, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Much of the true information has been deleted with wantedness. Srakesh448 (talk) 16:00, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

lists of other castes

please, make more lists of notable people of other castes — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBr0s (talk • contribs) 02:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Dynamic list

Should we add a {{Dynamic list}} here? The article is hopelessly incomplete. --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

It certainly is incomplete. It is also pointless, along with all the similar lists that try to group people by caste and/or social status (List of Dalits etc). They are also all timesinks and inevitably contain BLP violations. I wish there was some way to nominate the lot for deletion *and* actually get that result. I won't be around to respond further over the next few days; I shouldn't even be here right now. - Sitush (talk) 00:25, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Upendra link

change ((Upendra)) to ((Upendra (actor)|Upendra))

 Done - thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 17:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Tollywood Actors

Tanikella_Bharani Amanchi_Venkata_Subrahmanyam Dharmavarapu_Subramanyam J._D._Chakravarthy Gschakravarthy (talk) 14:44, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. clpo13_(talk) 16:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge from List of Notable Brahmins

There's significant overlap in the new article, but it adds new detail. OnionRing (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Support merger. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 01:39, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Let's take them one by one

Hello. Is Ajay Devgn a Brahmin? The provided source seems to say he is a Vishwakarma. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 11:42, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Another name for Vishwakarma is Vishwabrahmin, Dhiman Brahmin, or Jangid Brahmins. In the four varnas, (Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra) they fall under Brahmin. Vishwakarma is a sub caste of Brahmin -- they are hundreds to thousands of other Brahmin sub castes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marknote00 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

OK, now I think I understand where the problem lies. Well, I owe you an apology then, because at the beginning I really thought you were a vandal. However, we have a policy (a rule that you MUST follow) here in the English Wikipedia (see WP:BLPCAT) that say you must not write about the caste of a living person unless that person has publicly self-identified as a member of this caste. Which means, you can only include Ajay Devgn in a list of Brahmins if you have a reliable source in which Ajay Devgn says "I am a Brahmin". Do you have such a source? Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 03:49, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

No, Vishwakarma/Vishwabrahmin are not Brahmins. This is by consensus - the claim is made by some members of that community but rejected by everyone else. This battle has been going on for years on Wikipedia. The references given above are useless WP:SPS - never believe a word published on caste websites. - Sitush (talk) 04:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I wouldn't know. I'm not an Indian myself, just someone who likes watching Indian movies. I simply noticed after doing a bit of research that almost all the actors in Indian cinema belonged to the Brahmin caste and I saw that this list was rather incomplete so I made a contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marknote00 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

References

Padma Laxmi

If in the source she states she follows a Hindu Brahmin diet, she is obviously a Brahmin -- a person wouldn't say such if they were not. That, and the fact that Laxmi is a common Brahmin surname should be enough to prove that she belongs to the Brahmin caste.

This list is extremely incomplete and lacks countless people. A person should not have to say, "I am a Brahmin" to be on this page, especially when it is common knowledge that they belong to the caste. If a person has disassociated themselves (such as Amitabh Bachchan) it is a different story, however. Is there an official Wikipedia page that states that a person must acclaim their caste to be on a page like this? I have noticed that for ethnicities, self identification is not required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:78C7:4B00:A4C8:1790:2F78:CDBE (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Please read User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. I might follow a Kosher diet but not be Jewish. - Sitush (talk) 22:17, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I see. However, that is not an official Wikipedia page, that is a page created by you. This page should be more informative, especially considering the large amount of Brahmins that are notable. When there are multiple websites stating the caste of a person, and the fact that their last name is common to that caste, it should be enough. Another thing I've noticed is that when ethnicities of celebrities are stated on the person's biography on Wikipedia, a source of them self-identifying is not required, so for that reason I feel that it should not be required for castes. I am an anonymous contributor and, of course I have not been on Wikipedia for an as lengthy time as you, but all I want is for lists as such to be complete, rather than extremely incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:78C7:4B00:6DED:6D51:3D2E:9D2C (talk) 03:45, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Read the links in my writing there. It is a summary of consensus and you are not going to over-ride it. - Sitush (talk) 03:47, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I still do not see how a source of them self identifying is required. The links in your writing show nothing to attest to this. It is not only me who is trying to override this, it is the many other people who make contributions to this page (with reliable sources) and you revert their edits. It almost appears as if you have something against members of this community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.250.231.39 (talk) 00:17, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Can you also explain why for other caste lists on Wikipedia (list of Jatts, list of Dalits, list of Kayashtas, etc.) self-identification sources are not required? You seem to only require such sources on list of Brahmins, list of Khatris, and list of Rajputs. Any contributions made in the latter three are immediately reverted by you and it is the contrary for the former three. In fact, some of the latter three have no sources at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.250.231.39 (talk) 00:27, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

You are seeing ghosts. It is not only me who requires such sources - it is consensus, as I mention above. And it is applicable to every caste list, not just those you mention. There is, however, no deadline: it is impossible for any one person to monitor the > 5 million articles on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 02:17, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

What Is The Sitush's Definition of self identification.

Let us begin! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.174.208 (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

See the section immediately prior to this one. It is nothing to do with my definition, so please stop with the personalisation. - Sitush (talk) 14:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2016

Sports People: Sachin Tendulkar Sunil Gavaskar Rahul Dravid Ajit Agarkar Rohit Sharma Saurav Ganguli Ravi Shastri Ajit Wadekar Anil Kumble Javagal Srinath Mayurdeshmukh331 (talk) 06:18, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  06:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Misleading information

Brahmin as per 'Bhagavad Gita'(http://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/4/verse/13) is through 'varna'(profession) & NOT birth

Misleading information - Brahmin as per 'Bhagavad Gita'(http://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/4/verse/13) is through 'varna'(profession) & NOT birth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandra.prc (talk • contribs) 13:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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182.77.71.146 (talk) 21:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

In Political Freedom fighter Chandra Shekhar Azad is missing

• Not done. Azad can only be added if you first give a reliable source that shows he self-identified as a Brahmin. Our article Chandra Shekhar Azad does not indicate it. Bishonen | talk 00:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2018

R. Gundu Rao, Born 9 October 1969, Kannada Brahmin, Chief Minister of Karnataka (1980-1983) Ramakrishna Hegde, 29 August 1926, Havyaka Brahmin, Chief Minister of Karnataka (10 Jan 1983 – 29 Dec 1984, 8 March 1985 – 13 February 1986, 16 February 1986 – 10 August 1988) Shanbhogsandesh (talk) 07:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2019

Please include the name of Late Sri P. V. Narasimha Rao who was a Brahmin and served both as a Chief Minister (of Andhra Pradesh) and Prime Minister (of India). It is unfortunate that Wikipedia has missed to include such a great Brahmin personality. 125.16.17.150 (talk) 06:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Kindly provide reliable source(s) supporting this claim. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)  Not done for now (and marking as closed). You would need to provide a reliable source to verify this information. On a side note, people are included if they're notable, not if they're great, terrible, or in between. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

This list woefully incomplete. Under the section "Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics", It does not Include, for example, Srinivasa Ramanujan Iyengar (Mathematician), Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (Nobel laureate Physicist), Manjul Bhargava (Fields Medalist), Akshay Venkatesh (Fields Medalist), Narendra Karmarkar (Computer Scientist), Shreeram Shankar Abhyankar (Mathematician) and many, many more. Furthermore, people like Ahluwalia who are complaining about how this is like an "advertisement" have no qualms about pages like "List of Sikhs" etc. Either delete this page entirely or update it with relevant information. Promulgating incomplete information is NOT a part of Wiki's goals and guidelines I presume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkwssis (talk • contribs) 14:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Would require reliable sources. And in the case of living persons, self-identification is a must as per WP:INB. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:02, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Here is a quote from the biography of Ramanujan by Robert Kanigel " "S." "Iyengar," meanwhile, was a caste name, referring to the particular branch of South Indian Brahmins to which he and his family belonged"

Have a look at section 3 of chapter 1. Link - http://slobodni-univerzitet-srbije.org/files/ROBERT-KANIGEL-RAMANUJAN.pdf .

Here is excerpt from Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar's Biography by Eugene N Parker - "SUBRAHMANYAN CHANDRASEKHAR was born into a free-thinking, Tamil-speaking Brahmin family in Lahore, India" Link - https://www.nap.edu/read/5859/chapter/4#29 113.30.156.69 (talk) 19:41, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done, Ramanujan and Chadrashekhar listed with source. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Devendra Fadnavis

He is Parsi and not Brahmin.

Perhaps having three cited sources is a better system to prevent these kinds of errors? Recordtru (talk) 00:03, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Add actress Rasika Joshi

Can you add her to the list? Recordtru (talk) 00:05, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Add more to the list

Chanakya - spiritual and political mentor Amit Trivedi - musical composer, singer Sundar Pichai - technology, business Satya Nadella - technology, business Sachin Tendulkar - cricketer Recordtru (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

These and the ones posted above would require reliable sources. As for living people, in addition to being reliable, the source(s) should explicitly mention that the subjects have self-identified their caste, which is a requirements as per WP:INB. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:49, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Verification

Please read the information at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists before adding people to this list. - Sitush (talk) 12:55, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2021

I want to add some more people from Brahmin community like Pankaj Tripathi, Udit Narayan Jha, Aditya Narayan Jha, Prakash Jha, Prabhat Jha etc with citation and reference. 2409:4064:60E:7D7F:B069:8DDF:B97F:807E (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2021

I wanted to add more people who are Brahmins and are famous. Shakytay (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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Bihar chief minister

Bihar first chief minister Sri Krishna Singh was also a brahmin, which is removed from Wikipedia pages. 2405:201:A404:5078:6951:EA29:8543:5308 (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Remove Ramachandra Guha

Remove Ramachandra Guha . He is a kayastha. 2402:3A80:1987:E3C1:478:5634:1232:5476 (talk) 14:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of Brahmins

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Arjun Rampal

This list includes Arjun Rampal based on an interview in which he says "my mother is half-Dutch and half-Sardarni of course but my Father is a Brahmin".

Arjun Rampal does not describe himself as a Brahmin. According to dharmasastras, the progeny of a Brahmin and a mlechha is not a Brahmin. Should be removed from the list. 103.197.115.42 (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

brahmins who contributed to the discovery of Indus civilization

• Rakhladas banerji - Mohan jodado
• yagyadatt sharma - ropad , almagir(UP)
• m.s Vats - rangpur
• J.p Joshi - surkotda 103.206.177.49 (talk) 15:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Kalanos & Dandamis

These two are Brahmins who met greek king alexander 103.206.177.49 (talk) 06:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2023

S Jaishankar the present foreign minister of India is also a Brahmin (Specifically a Tamil Brahmin). Please add him to the list.

Pandit R DAKSHINAMOORTHI - the famous astrologer and mantras-shastra expert is also a Brahmin (Specifically a Tamil Brahmin). He is a celebrity astrologer associated with sites like truthstar.com, and the international astrological site - www.kasamba.com. He is a rare expert who walks the talk in the sense - he not only teaches intense mantra shastraic concepts to others, he also practices those intensely; for instance, he is known to undergo an intense fast (totally abstaining from food) for 12 days around both Vasantha Navarathri and Sharada Navarathri - surpassing even many ascetics by this feat which he has been doing for the past many years (many people - including our PM Modiji claim to fast on Navarathris, but they consume unlimited juices/ fruits; Panditji observes a total fast and immerses himself in upaasanaas like the sages of yore. Please add him to the list.

https://starsunfolded.com/s-jaishankar/ 73.114.227.18 (talk) 21:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A09 (talk) 20:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)