Talk:Labor Day

Requested move 23 July 2020

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Daniel Case (talk) 05:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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Labor Day → Labor Day (United States) – The article at Labor Day describes the U.S. holiday; the article at Labour Day describes the holiday in general. Since "Labor Day" and "Labour Day" are interchangable expressions internationally, I suggest to resolve any ambiguity we move the article about the U.S. holiday to a disambiguated title. The other article, and Labor Day (disambiguation) stay where they are, and Labor Day would redirect to the article about the U.S. holiday. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 04:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support per reasons listed. --Bob247 (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:SMALLDETAILS. The spelling difference is a good natural disambiguator. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per User:Rreagan007. The spelling difference disambiguates already.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support The United States is not the only country where the spelling labor is more commonly used. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 14:31, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

What other countries have a holiday that is spelled "Labor Day"? Rreagan007 (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rreagan007: The Philippines. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Well if we ever have an article on the Philippine holiday we can add a link to that in the hatnote of this article. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support - this seems like a reasonable move, but I think Labor Day should redirect to Labour Day since it is celebrated by countries all around the world with different dates. Interstellarity (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. The spelling difference here is sufficient disambiguation. Calidum 19:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support and Labor Day should redirect to Labour Day In ictu oculi (talk)
• Oppose as per Rreagan007, and WP:ENGVAR, frankly. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons stated. It's kind of obvious if one actually reads the article that the expressions are not interchangeable at all. Especially in light of the Labor history of the United States. --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Also, to expand on this point, Wikipedia policy is that we don't disambiguate in article titles where there is no confusion.
• Support as per Interstellarity and In ictu oculi (i.e. let Labor Day redirect to Labour Day). I was surprised to read this page and conclude that it was for the US holiday; we should aim for "the principle of least astonishment". --PerLundberg (talk) 18:26, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Your notion of "least astonishment" has no basis in current Wikipedia article titles guidelines or policies. There is no point to add additional length to the article title when the spelling itself is sufficient to disambiguate, per User:Rreagan007 and User:Yaksar. The title proposed by User:Shhhnotsoloud is awkward, ungainly, and lengthy. As a programmer, you should know better. (I'm specifically thinking of Hungarian notation and how the current consensus is towards keeping unnecessary information out of method names.) Please engage in the normal good faith process of seeking changes to the current consensus (i.e., initiate an RfC on the relevant policies or guidelines) rather than supporting irregular and unnecessarily long article titles. --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
• support as per Interstellarity and In ictu oculi (ie, let Labor Day redirect to Labour Day). —usernamekiran (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. In general I am skeptical of WP:SMALLDETAILS but this is a rare case where it makes sense: the only relevant disambig targets would be "Labor Day" in countries that spell it that way, which is no other English-langauge speaking countries. So someone spelling it without the "u" almost assuredly means the US version. The only possible confusing would be the film & the novel spelled "Labor", but those meanings are clearly dwarfed by the holiday. SnowFire (talk) 23:52, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per User:Rreagan007. The page about the American holiday has the American spelling - that;s good enough as a disambiguator. --Rob Kelk 19:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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"Unofficial end of summer" section

This whole section seems questionable, but in particular it references a "two-week vacation" as if that's common (it isn't in the US) and cites what is little more than an op-ed piece in the Washington Post (but labels it as Travelocity) as justification for it being the "end of summer." Wfdexter (talk) 15:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Labor Day or Labour Day ?

Looking at the daily pageviews for this article it is self-evident that last year on May 1st a lot of people (87K) were misguided into the US Labor Day page, possibly from google searches (as in my case today). For native English speakers from the United States, the distinction between "Labor Day" and "Labour Day" might be enough to disambiguate which public holiday one is accurately referring. Yet, Wikipedia is a Cosmopolitan project, not a US centric one (even if sometimes it appears so). There are 1.453 billion English speakers, there are 245.5 million US native English speakers. Thus, it is in the interest of the vast majority of English speakers around the globe that when one searches either "Labor Day" or "Labour Day" the first hit is the international Wikipedia page (unless you are geographically located in the US). This problem will only be exacerbated as more people continue to learn English as a second language.

Additionally, the current disambiguation strategy (aka "Labour" and "Labor"), does not meet the accessibility criteria for visually impaired users (or those using text-to-speech) since the pronunciation of labor and labour is exactly the same, and is defined by the reading voice you selected.

My suggestion is to add an adjective to this page as: "American Labor Day", "US Labor Day", or something akin. And the international page should be linked to both "Labor Day" and "Labour Day".

[Pageviews graph] (https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-365&pages=Labor_Day) 193.157.170.245 (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)