Talk:La Familia (Beitar supporters' group)

20% number

I listened to the entire BBC Radio program cited and I did not hear anything that supported the following statement:

"At a home match in 2008, a correspondent for the BBC said that the group was about 20% of the crowd"

It's certainly possible that I missed this, but I'd like to verify this figure. User:Cptnono, could you please let me know when in the program this information appears?

Thank you, GabrielF (talk) 23:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

This was a weird one. There were 2 stories published on the website that were essentially the same and both were associated with the actual broadcast. I screwed up the link during the edit but you can se it here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7362791.stm Cptnono (talk) 03:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

And I reverted the parenthesis pretty much based on grammar/flow alone. You can fiddle with it to say "according to" or something like that but I was basing the range of multiple unused sources. One source said another figure in the hundreds while another did not say that Guy was the leader. I figured keeping it as broad as possible would be better than sticking in every claimed stat.Cptnono (talk) 03:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I think your most recent edit is fine. My only concern was that we should distinguish between an estimate that comes from the group itself and an estimate that's independent. The radio show does attribute the 3,000 number to Guy Israeli. Thanks for checking into that 20% figure. GabrielF (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Totally understand. I wasn't sure how to get the wording right so please tinker with it. Cptnono (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality

A lot of over-generalisations and non-encyclopaedic tone used. Even if some of the fans do have far-right views, there are much more neural ways of phrasing this. Furthermore all it talk about is the negatives, there is no content relating to anything else. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey @Abcmaxx, care to take another look at this?

La Familia are a bloc of Beitar supporters, not the team's fan supporter group in its entirety. That distinction should be explicitly made. We should also make sure that all of the mentioned incidents are attributed to La Familia in particular.

All the article talks about is the negatives, because virtually all the coverage is about the group's controversies. That's pretty much all they're known for:

• "La Familia" Beitar site:timesofisrael.com
• "La Familia" Beitar site:ynet.co.il
• "La Familia" Beitar site:jpost.com
• "La Familia" Beitar site:nytimes.com
• "La Familia" Beitar site:haaretz.com
• "La Familia" Beitar site:bbc.com
• "La Familia" Beitar site:theguardian.com
• "La Familia" Beitar site:elpais.com
• "La Familia" Beitar site:lemonde.fr

Mooonswimmer 21:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing the neutrality banner. Comment is old and it's clearly encyclopedic to report on their right-wing, racist tendencies, given the litany of reports and member statements. _{too_much} curiosity (talk) 07:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)