Talk:LGBT history in Canada

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Perhaps some expanded history might be helpful here. We have bullet points of some of the highlights in terms of political history. There are large gaps in which organizations are not mentioned. LGYT was an important presence in Toronto's gay and lesbian political youth movement. The group's meeting space was the 519 community center on Tuesday nights during the 1980's and 1990's. Some history of the gay ghetto in terms of its bars and restaurants might also be a section. The St. Charles was an important feature of Yonge street and later the Chez Moi on Hayden street (now a parking lot) was an important lesbian bar during the 1980's and earlier 1990's. Also perhaps a section for each province to have a historical record would be a good idea. Newfoundland's LGBT development as a community and a political movement for example was vastly different from that of Toronto. It operated loosely out of Memorial University (The Muse - the university paper had much to do with this) as well as the Women's Center. Early establishments such as Friends, Madames, Earharts, Club Max and even the Ship Inn (for the artsy LGBT) were important places where the LGBT community saw it's beginnings. Judedmstewart (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC) judedmstewart

Proposal to merge this article and Timeline of LGBT history in Canada together

I am proposing that this article and Timeline of LGBT history in Canada be merged together. I am making this proposal because, as it stands now, both of these articles are a timeline of Canadian LGBT history over the years and as such having them both duplicates things. --Devin Murphy (talk) 08:43, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

LGBT history in Canada, while currently written and structured in a way that resembles a timeline more than it should, is meant to be much more of a broad overview article about the overall sweep of LGBT history — while Timeline of LGBT history in Canada is meant to be much more detailed about specific incidents which, while noteworthy in the context of the timeline, weren't defining of the overall arc of history in the manner necessary to warrant being mentioned in a general overview of the topic. For one example, Montreal's pride festival getting handed off from Divers/Cité to Fierté Montréal in 2006, while worthy of note in the timeline, isn't particularly noteworthy in the broad overview — and there are many other incidents in the timeline for which the same can be said.

There's quite a bit of precedent for dividing the topic up in this way; see also LGBT history in the United Kingdom vs. Timeline of LGBT history in Britain. While there's no Timeline of LGBT history in the United States per se, in that case it's because the timeline is so massive that instead separate timelines do and/or should exist for each individual state within the US — so, in reality, the US actually is divvied up the same way even though it might not look like it on the surface.

So while I'd support rewriting LGBT history in Canada to deemphasize the "timeline"-like aspects of its structure, I don't agree with a merger proposal — there are a lot of things that are perfectly appropriate for mention in the timeline that would be too trivial to warrant singling out as important historical developments in the overview article. Bearcat (talk) 09:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Bearcat, I am ok if we do as you suggest instead of going the way of my proposal. And if we did this then I feel the leads of each of theses articles would need to be expanded to better articulate their intended purpose and scope. Maybe even with a mention of each article in the others lead. --Devin Murphy (talk) 04:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

After some reflection, I have decided to withdraw my merger proposal. Instead I have decided to work on refining and expanding the leads of theses two articles to help give guidance to their contributes on what to include and what not to include and to indicate what is there differences from each other are. --Devin Murphy (talk) 13:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Transinvisibility

First mention of a transgender topic in the article is a Dec 2012 bill in Nova Scotia, and there appears to be not a single trans person mentioned by name or reputation in the entire article. In fact, trans history in Canada predates European colonization. Can we get some balance here? Mathglot (talk) 21:17, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

So, I've started it off, by adding a comment about Jesuit Joseph-François Lafitau's observations of cross-gender behavior among the Iroquois from his time as a missionary in 1711-1717. Now all we have to do, is fill in the trans history of the intervening 300 years!

One of the references I used for it should be a treasure trove of information for the article, namely "Queerly Canadian" (see #Suggested sources below). The WorldCat listing has the complete Table of Contents in the "Details" section; click the OCLC number in the citation.

Mathglot (talk) 19:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Suggested sources

Please add references that could be useful for improving this article here:
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• FitzGerald, Maureen; Rayter, Scott (2012). Queerly Canadian: An Introductory Reader in Sexuality Studies. Canadian Scholars’ Press. ISBN 978-1-55130-400-7. OCLC 801167318. - "remarkable and comprehensive" (review)
• Katz, Jonathan (1992) [1st pub. 1976]. Gay American History: Lesbians and Gay Men in the U.S.A.: a Documentary History. Meridian. ISBN 978-0-452-01092-5. OCLC 25008616. Retrieved 1 July 2016. - plenty of Canadian coverage; "unique and pioneering work", "comprehensive collection of documents" (review)
• Crawford, William; Spence, Alex (1984). Homosexuality in Canada: a bibliography. Toronto: Canadian Gay Archives. ISBN 978-0-9690981-3-3. OCLC 11948181. - topical listing of monographic and serial literature up to 1984.
• Irving, Dan; Raj, Rupert (5 May 2014). Trans Activism in Canada: A Reader. Toronto: Canadian Scholars’ Press. ISBN 978-1-55130-537-0. OCLC 871227833. - an anthology "documenting and celebrating almost 50 years of trans activism across the country" (review)
• "Bibliography on the History of Sexuality in Canada". Canadian Committee on the History of Sexuality. Canadian Historical Association. Archived from the original on 2016-05-17. - a list of dozens of books and journal articles
• Roscoe, Will (15 August 1988). Living the Spirit: A Gay American Indian Anthology. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 978-0-312-30224-5. OCLC 17440290. - has Canadian content, for example Bella Coola people from B.C. (reviews)

Mathglot (talk) 23:40, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Inadequate lead

The lead does not fill the purpose according to WP:LEAD; in particular, it doesn't summarize the body of the article. The second sentence should be removed, and turned into a disambiguating hatnote. The lead needs to be replaced with a proper introduction to the article. Mathglot (talk) 03:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)