Talk:L'Amant double

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Latest comment: 6 years ago by GeoffreyT2000 in topic Requested move 5 December 2017

Incorrect capitalisation

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"L'Amant double" is how the French capitalise it, not that we should use the French way on English Wikipedia, anyway. Why this has been twice moved to "L'amant double" is bewildering. Also, my 1RR expired, Lugnuts, but good memory. — Film Fan 13:48, 13 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Wrong again, it has not expired. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:55, 13 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
It expired months ago at my request. Anyway, see above re the title of the film. Your double standards when it comes to editing are hilarious. Your revert a move saying it's undiscussed, but if I do exactly the same, you just revert back again. Is that something you get to do just because you spend your whole life on Wikipedia? — Film Fan 14:18, 13 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 14 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)Guanaco 07:54, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply


L'amant doubleAmant Double – Per WP:NCF, the title used in the English-speaking world should be used. This film is premiering at Cannes and the title for the English-speaking audience at Cannes is Amant Double.[1][2][3] I should note this title has only just been added, so any sources previous to the last couple of days won't have it. Also, the current capitalization is incorrect anyway. "L'amant" should be "L'Amant". Lugnuts reverts simply because he dislikes me. — Film Fan 14:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

No, I'm not. Please stop with your constant personal attacks and edit warring. Continue, and you'll be blocked again. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Yes you are, and no I will not. Do you know what hypocrisy is? — Film Fan 12:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I do - it's what you do on a regular basis along with your usual disruption. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hilarious. — Film Fan 12:19, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Didn't deny it. Speaks volumes. As does your BS about your 1RR being expired. I look forward to more of your trolling. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
The fact that you enjoy this childish conflict speaks volumes. Try making it about the content instead of the editor. I know that's way too much to ask. — Film Fan 12:54, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Again, no evidence of your bullshit 1RR expiring. "Try making it about the content instead of the editor" - which is what you're not doing here. Oh dear. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Absolutely. — Film Fan 13:19, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. The current capitalization is bewildering. — Film Fan 18:03, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose per Lugnuts. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:01, 8 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nom. Genealogizer (talk) 20:54, 8 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Support. L'amant double is an unsustainable title. In the English-speaking world there are three possible forms — L'Amant double (the original French title), Amant Double (the form presented to the English-speaking audience at Cannes) and The Double Lover (the form described by IMDb as "informal literal title"). A tentative fourth possibility may be any other title that distributors could decide to use in marketing this feature withn the English-speaking world. For the purpose of the current !vote, however, it would seem that the title selected at Cannes for English speakers would be the most apt choice. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
Why? We frequently capitalize French book and film titles as correct in French. This is part of the language. Franglish capitalization isn't used in quality book sources for films. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
The capitalization used in L'amant double is neither proper French nor Franglish of whatever variety. As it stands, without a specific explanation of the methodology used in formulating Amant Double as the English form used at Cannes, we are obliged to accept the title as presented by the film's marketers, distributors and English-language reviewers. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
Of course it is correct French. See fr.wp In ictu oculi (talk) 08:32, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
French Wikipedia does not capitalize it L'amant double, because French Wikipedia is not stupid. — Film Fan 11:19, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
English-language sources are inconsistent. Variety uses L'amant double, while The Hollywood Reporter as well as The Guardian use L'Amant double. Ultimately, however, one has to trust French sources for the correct French form. In addition to French Wikipedia, such key publications as Télérama, Le Monde and Paris Match use L'Amant double in their headers. As far as the film's title in the English-speaking world is concerned, there are various references to the nominated form, Amant Double in Variety, Screen Daily and Films Distribution or even to the literal form The Double Lover at Letterboxd or Cineuropa. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 14:31, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
Well obviously it should be L'Amant double I thought that's what we were talking about. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
Well, no, that's not obvious at all. — Film Fan 08:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

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My reasoning in closing the move discussion

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@Film Fan: My choice of move target was made in two steps:

  • L'amant double → L'Amant double: move per consensus and to correct a fairly obvious error. One thing was agreed on in the discussion: "L'amant" is wrong. "L'Amant double" was the original title for this article and the correct French name.
  • L'Amant double → Amant Double: no consensus. Lugnuts made a strong argument that it may be too soon to move this to a proposed English title, and some of those who supported some move were effectively neutral between the two.

Ultimately, whether it's an admin or some other user making the move, if there's any disagreement someone will be unhappy. I stand by my decision to close the discussion, and I'm going to revert to re-close. If you feel I'm wrong in doing so, you can make a case at Wikipedia:Move review. —Guanaco 08:29, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

I'll also note that this was previously relisted and was over a month old. If this were not the case, I'd have relisted it. —Guanaco 08:33, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

The most support is for Amant Double, then L'Amant Double, and THEN L'Amant double. This is an incorrect closure. — Film Fan 08:39, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
I understand that it's not the outcome you wanted, and I freely admit I didn't count votes. I did do a thorough reading of the comments, checked outside references, and made a judgment call. I'm sorry, but this isn't a voting procedure; it's a discussion, and after over a month it had become stale. —Guanaco 09:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
It had, but you still went against consensus. — Film Fan 09:09, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
I don't think we'll get anywhere like this. Let's open a move review. —Guanaco 09:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 5 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)Reply


L'Amant doubleThe Double Lover – Per WP:NCF and WP:USEENGLISH. There was a bit of scuffle over this in May, if Amant Double would be the common English name, and no consensus there was a common English name at the time. Now it appears there is one. with 311 Google News hits [6] [7] [8] Ribbet32 (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2017 (UTC)Reply


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