Talk:Kyoto Imperial Palace

Distinguish the current palace from the Heian period daidairi

The current article fails to distinguish between the present-day Kyōto Gosho and the (larger) original palace compound (daidairi, 大内裏) of Heian period Kyōto. The original palace was located at the north-centre point of the symmetrically designed capital city, approximately to the north-west of the Nijō Castle (Nijō-jō, 二条城). The current palace area occupies approximately the area in the north-eastern corner of the original capital, and reproduces (to certain extent) the "inner palace" or dairi (内裏) of the original palace complex.

My suggestion would be to (i) keep the current article on Kyōto Gosho focusing on the present-day palace but making clear its relationship to the original palace, and (ii) complete the new article Heian Palace on the original Heian period palace complex and its history.

Stca74 17:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I've now completed my suggested changes above.

Stca74 15:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

More comprehensive coverage of imperial palaces and residences needed

The addition of the article on the original Heian Palace and the few corrections to this page on the present-day palace still leave major tasks to do:

1. This page requires the attention of an expert on the history of the present-day imperial palace:
   • when to date the emergence of this palace?
   • its relationship with predecessors (where to draw line between repair / rebuild and a new palace?)
   • role of the Tokugawa in influencing the construction of the palace and the surrounding enclosure
   • checking the stated facts on the page (some of what remain are suspect, e.g., the number of rebuilds, uses of buildings over time)
   • adding references
2. The overall history of the imperial palaces in Kyoto (in particular as of late Heian period) should be described. My suggestion would be to change the page on Kyoto Imperial Palace from a redirection page (pointing here) to an overview describing the history of imperial residences between the abandonment of the Heian Daidairi and the building of the present Kyoto Gosho. The new page could list the more important sato-dairi and at the same time act as a disambiguation page directing readers to Heian Palace or Kyoto Gosho. Stca74 15:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Geographic location

I copied this template from Crown Fountain (Chicago), roughly modifying it first to show the wards in relation to the center of the city; and then modifying it a second time to show the gates of the Imperial Palace.

Other potentially helpful and/or relevent:

• Kenreimon (建礼門) --> Roshomon (Ōtenmon at Heian jinju)
• Joutoumon (上東門, , lit. upper east gate)
• Youmeimon (陽明門); Higurashi-no-mon (日暮門, , lit. sun living gate); konoemon (近衛門, , lit. guard's gate)
• Taikenmon (待賢門, , lit. waiting wisdom gate)
• Shōmeimon (Joumeimon) ---> Gekkamon (月華門) ---> Nikkamon (日華門)<:ref>Kouichi, Iibuchi, Nagai Yasuo, and Yoshida Kan. 近世内裏の空間的秩序 : 承明門,日・月華門の性格からの検討 ("Space Order of the Imperial Palace in the Edo Period: Study on the characters of the Shomeimon, Nikkamon, Gekkamon)," Journal of Architecture, Planning and Environmental Engineering; Transactions of the Architectural Institute of Japan (日本建築学会計画系論文集). Vol. 538, pp.195-202. (in Japanese)</ref>
• shikyakumon (四脚門): hakkyakumon, (jikkamon)
• Ōtenmon ---> Suzakumon

• North gates at Ise Shrine (北御門, Kitagomon) ...?

I wonder if something like this will be useful in some future version of this article? --Tenmei (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

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