Talk:Kurdish refugees

Jews

I don't think that those Jews who lived in "Kurdistan" are considered Kurds.--Rafy talk 13:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Kurdish Jews are usually related both as "Kurds" and as "Jews" by sources [1], "We want to aknowlege here collectively the numerous members of the Kurdish community in Israel...", but again the question of self-identification of Kurdish Jews in Israel is somehow dual - it is similar to Maronites in the Arab State of Lebanon.Greyshark09 (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Here is by the way one good source to support your view: "The now dwindling Christian and Jewish communities of the region are not commonly considered as Kurds, although some of them have Kurdish as their first language." [2].Greyshark09 (talk) 14:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't view the first link. But I can imagine some former inhabitants of Kurdistan being sympathetic towards the Kurdish strive for independence but that shouldn't be explained as an acknowledgement of being Kurdish. I think that the identity crisis between the inhabitants of Israel is less serious that the question of Maronite identity since they share the same religion and language of other Israelis.--Rafy talk 14:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Here is another source which relates to Kurdish Jews as part of the Kurdish nation: "The majority of Kurds are Sunni Muslims. There are also Shi’a and Yezidi Kurds, as well as Christians who identify themselves as Kurds. Yezidis are Kurds who follow a religion that combines indigenous pre-Islamic and Islamic traditions. The once thriving Jewish Kurdish community in Iraq now consists of a few families in the Kurdish safe haven." [3]. Greyshark09 (talk) 14:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there are any Jews left in northern Iraq. Also the majority of Yazidis refuse to be identify as Kurds. It's a very controversial issue in Iraq today as Kurdish parties are trying to annex regions inhabited by Christians, Turkmen, Yazidis and Shabaks to the Kurdish autonomous region.--Rafy talk 14:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

You got a point here, certainly not all Kurdish Jews self identified as Kurds at the time and certainly from ethnic point of view they are Jewish, being "Kurdified" to certain degree. I will change the text to reflect this more profound view per WP:GF, similar to how we treated Maronites and Assyrians in the article "Christian Arabs", what do you say?Greyshark09 (talk) 16:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Honestly I think the whole section should be removed. Ethnicity was strictly defined as connected to religion in that region unlike elsewhere in the Arab world, and being Kurdish would necessary mean that you belong to the Sunni sect. The most extreme example of "Kurdification" I could think of are the Armenians of Avzrog and even though they use Kurdish in their everyday life they still strongly identify as Armenians and never as Kurds. Afaik the Jews who used to in that region strongly define themselves as both ethnically and religiously Jewish and even more so after resettling in Israel.

Strong disagree that Kurds are 'only' Sunni, as there is a significant number of Alevi Kurds [4] and Shi'a Kurds. I don't know about Yazidis, though with Shubaks you are correct - doubtful they can be counted for Kurds. We can address groups of questinable identity by grouping "Yazidis" and "Kurdish Jews" as "Kurdish related enthnoreligious groups" (as we did in "Arab Christians" article).Greyshark09 (talk) 16:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Just another side note, I don't think the term refugees better describe their move to Israel as they started settling in Israel long before the Arab-Israeli conflict, by 1948 many of them had already established themselves in Israel.--Rafy talk 13:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

The term refugees certainly doesn't apply to all Kurdish Jewish community of the 1950s. Some of them were already living in Safed along my great-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-grandfather in 17th century, and many migrated to Galilee and Jerusalem in 19th and early 20th centuries. However, since the Farhud, their immigration increased. Since 1948, many fled to Iran (later contnuing to Israel) and all the remnats, some 30,000, practically fled during the evacuation operation by Israeli government - those are meant by refugee definition (see [5]). I corrected the number from 50,000 (the whole Kurdish Jewish community) to 30,000; not including 20,000 already residing in Israel ("the Zionist leadership in Eretz Israel was acquainted with the Kurdish ethnic group" [6]) or Iran by 1950.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Kurdish diaspora out of the Middle East

88.128.81.24 (talk) added a short paragraph of text about the percentage of refugees from Turkey, Iraq, and Iran who are Kurds to the Kurdish diaspora out of the Middle East section [7]. 46.221.184.179 (talk) reverted the addition [8], with an edit summary mentioning "source falsification and unreliable sources by notorious turkish sockpuppet."

One source is an archive.org copy of a German government web page [9], one's a Berlin newspaper [10], and the other two are dead links. I'd call the German government a reliable source on what percentage of their immigrants are Kurds; the newspaper's information looks reliable at first glance. My German's not great, but the numbers in the sources match those in the text. I reverted, adding the information back. 46.221.175.58 (talk), apparently the same person who removed it earlier, removed it a second time, leaving a note on the 46.221.184.179 (talk) talk page again casting doubt on the sources [11].

What do you think? Please take a look at the sources and text. Thanks. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 12:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I have invited German users to check the German sources. The link regarding german gov page doesn't work . But, if it is a German government page, than it is reliable, however it is not in english and added by a banned sockpuppet who engaged in source falsifications many times in the past (i may file a new SPI case for range block, when have a time). That is the reason why the content seems dubious to me. Anyway, as i said, i have invited German users and if they dont give me feedback, i'll invite other german users to the page. Thank you for not engaging in edit-war. Bests, 46.221.175.58 (talk) 13:06, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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