Talk:Konda Bimbaša

Why is it Greek-Aromanian?

Why is it Greek-Aromanian and not just Aromanian from Ioannina? I am both Greek and Aromanian but i have never heard of the ethnonym Greek-Aromanian. You are either Greek, Aromanian or half Greek, half Aromanian. There is no Greek-Aromanian ethnicity. It might be Aromanian born in today's city of Ioannina, Greece, then Ottoman Empire. Did he call himself Konda, the Greek-Aromanian? Did he sign any documents with that name? Probably not.

His real name was Jani Kondi, which is an Albanian pronunciation of the name. And since he was in Ali Pasha's army, he probably associated himself more with Albanians then the Greeks. But that doesn't make him Albanian either. So probably he was just an Aromanian. Aromanians are everywhere in the Balkans and they are neither Greek, nor anything else. They are simply Aromanians. 109.69.5.190 (talk) 20:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Both Kondi and Konda are Albanian names, not Aromanian. Kondi/Konda are in the areas of Himara as well as Korce, however, according to this source, he was an Albanian souliot. --MorenaReka (talk) 03:02, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Greek-Aromanian means Aromanian from Greece, or could be used to describe Greek-identity/cultured Aromanians. @109.69.5.190: You are located in Albania, I doubt you are Greek. @MorenaReka: Show me sources, not a blog, please. The word konda exists as an Greek adverb meaning "near, nearby". Kondakis (Κονδάκης/Κοντάκης) meaning "little/son of Konda" and Kondopoulos (Κοντόπουλος) meaning "descendant of Konda" are Greek surnames. --Zoupan 04:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

It is not a blog, but you may be right about its reliability. And thank you for the explanation on the word etymology. Best! --MorenaReka (talk) 15:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Off course sources of such a level (cameriaime.com) need to be avoided in this project.Alexikoua (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The source quotes Arbën Xhaferi, who wrote a book, "Legalizimi I krimit" (Legalization of crime), published in 2008, and the source cameriaime takes from him for both Jani Kondi and Gjergj Olimpiasi, two Orthodox Cham Albanians, who helped with 300 other Albanian men in the liberation of Belgrade. So the source is just taking from a published book, it's not inventing anything new. According to Xhaferi neither the Albanian historiography nor the Serbian one have any interest in mentioning that Kondi and Olimpiasi were Albanians. Xhaferi was a philosopher and politiian, though, so I'm not sure if he qualifies as a reliable source. For now I cannot find any reliable sources on his ethnicity, even though I searched. --MorenaReka (talk) 00:13, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

...Gjergj Olimpiasi—Giorgakis Olympios? Enough said.--Zoupan 20:25, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Fascinating. Thanks for your help! --MorenaReka (talk) 00:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

The memorial plaquette on Beograd's street that bears his name says "Kondo Bimbasa, the Christian in the Turkish army..." - so it doesn't attribute it to Greeks or Vlachs as is pretended. Other Serbian sources mention him as Cincar: («Конда Бимбаша (1783, Јањина, Епир –1807, Троноша код Лознице) учесник у првом српском устанку. По нацији био је Цинцар.). Vuk Karadžić said he's Arnaut. The source will come up, it's a matter of time. --Mondiad (talk) 15:50, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

The fact that he is called Christian doesn't make him non-Greek & non-Aromanian. @Zoupan, MorenaReka is a typical Sulmuesoid account (i.e. sock). Don't be suprised if he calls Napoleon Bonapart with his Albanian exonym in wikipeda (as I remember he was screaming about his Albanian origin).Alexikoua (talk) 19:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Alexikoua, please don't confuse me with other users. I find the explanations of Zoupan reasonable and do not doubt his good faith. I was also thinking that Liljana Kondakçi also may be of Greek origin, given the explanation of Zoupan above. Perhaps there are Greek sources you could help us with for Liljana? In the meantime I'll think about other Konda last names, for which we can safely research a Greek origin. --MorenaReka (talk) 19:18, 4 January 2016 (UTC) Here it goes: I thought of two: Pirro Kondi and Spiro Konda. We have them described as Albanians, but they may be Greek, since "Konda" is the Greek adverb for "near". MorenaReka (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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Surname

The name Bimbaša can be derived from Turkish as "Bin", thousand and "Pasha" or else Baş, head. Al-khataei (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)