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Requested move 20 February 2018 edit

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The result of the move request was: article moved per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:48, 27 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Khaidu (ruler) → Kaidu (11th century) – I believe Kaidu and Khaidu are both romanizations of the exact same Mongolian name. WP:NCMON says: "For historic names (before 1936), it may not always be appropriate to transcribe from the modern Cyrillic Mongolian version. Such names can be more common in transcription from the classical Mongolian script, or from other languages (Turkic, Tungusic, Persian, Chinese, etc.). In general, historic names will be subject to a case-by-case decision about which original version to transcribe." According to the article this guy "is mentioned in the Secret History of the Mongols, the History of Yuan, and the Jami al-Tawarikh." The first 2 books survived in Chinese only and I'm verifying his Chinese name is exactly the same as the 13th-century Kaidu's. Per WP:CONSISTENCY, I think we should use "Kaidu" for him as well? (I can't judge the 3rd book.) Google Ngram shows "Kaidu" to be more common than "Khaidu". Notice the 13th-century guy seems to be the primary topic for "Khaidu": [1]. Therefore Khaidu (which is currently a dab page) should just redirect to Kaidu with a hatnote for the 11th-century leader. "Ruler" doesn't work as a disambiguator because the 13th-century guy was also a ruler. Timmyshin (talk) 00:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Tentative support a very quick look suggests nom is correct In ictu oculi (talk) 12:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

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