Talk:Juche calendar

1911 and before

The article mentions that there is no Juche 0. Does thing mean we can't count years before 1911 on the Juche Calendar? Logic would state that something like -2 Juche would be 1909. — Preceding unsigned comment added by That kiwi guy (talk • contribs) 06:54, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Year Zero

A nameless editor is editing this and the Juche page, claiming that 1912 was Juche Year Zero and that 2016 is 104. Numerous sources say that this is false. 1912 was Year 1 and 2016 is 105:[1], [2],[3], [4]. You can even check North Korea itself: Rodong Sinmun [5] and Naenara [6].--Jack Upland (talk) 21:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

1912 was Juche year 0 (ordinal 1st year of Juche) > 15 April 2012 - 15 April 1912 (Kim Il-sung's birth) makes 100 years, not 101 years. --85.76.23.165 (talk) 11:20, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Look at any North Korean site with the Juche date (including the ones linked above) and you can see the text Juche 105 (2016) which means that they refer to the year 2016 as Juche 105. Are you saying that they don't know what year it is in a system they invented? Also, see my response to your comment on my talk page. Arcorann (talk) 06:57, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

He is a Finnish LTA (called WPK, also indefinitely blocked on Commons) and should be reverted and blocked. --Stryn (talk) 13:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Person, who has/had born in 15th April 1912, was/would have been 104 years (not 105) in 15th April 2016. This is the 105th year (ordinal) after her/his birth, but the year 104 (cardinal): 15th April 1912 - 15th Oct 2016 = 104,5 years (not 105,5 years). --85.76.132.83 (talk) 20:53, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

A person born on 15 April 1912 would be born in Juche 1, because the North Koreans decided so. The person would turn 104 years old in Juche 105, which is this year. That's what the North Koreans have decided, just as Sun Yat-Sen decided that 1912 should be the first year of Minguo, and the next year should be Minguo 2. How is that hard to understand? Considering that we have already provided ample proof you are wrong in both cases, I intend to contact an administrator soon. Arcorann (talk) 02:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

A simple example, source: from 15th April 1912 to 15th Oct 2016 makes 104,5 years, not 105,5 years. --2001:999:20:2260:D197:A106:EF2D:B652 (talk) 15:47, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you that if counting the length of time, 15/4/1912 to 15/10/2016 is 104 and one half years. It is simple maths and nobody here would disagree with you. But we are not counting the length of time here. The question is whether 1912 is year zero or year one in the North Korean calendar. Every source available says that 1912 was year one. The fact that Kim was zero years old that year is irrelevant. The same goes for the Taiwanese articles you keep changing. Please stop it. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Other properties of the calendar

Some useful calendar information is missing:

- the number of days in the week (the Soviets tried six-day weeks, for instance)
- the date of the new year (Iranians use the vernal equinox, for instance)
- the number, length, and naming of months (in the Jewish calendar, most months are 29-30 days)
- rules for leap years

It looks like the Juche calendar is just the Gregorian calendar with a different Epoch (the birth of Kim Il-Sung instead of Jesus), but I don't know enough about it to make the changes myself. 198.161.100.138 (talk) 16:33, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

You are correct. The Juche calendar is just the Gregorian calendar with a different number. North Korea usually puts the Gregorian year in brackets after the Juche year. They have the same new year's day, as you can see in Public holidays in North Korea. They also obviously use the traditional Korean calendar within the Gregorian framework. But information about months and weeks would be good.--Jack Upland (talk) 20:04, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 17 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Nominator has presented a cogent argument for the move and no objections have been raised. (non-admin closure) Colin M (talk) 23:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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North Korean calendar → Juche calendar – Per WP:COMMONNAME. See Google Ngram Viewer results. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Megan B.... ^{It’s all coming to me} till the end of time 11:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• @CentreLeftRight and Polyamorph: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Not uncontroversial - Ngram results are not conclusive, seems to be an increase in recent usage of the current term. Best to get consensus via a WP:RM discussion first. Polyamorph (talk) 09:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

We can go by the sources given as well. All the English language sources cited use the term "Juche calendar". CentreLeftRight ✉ 22:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I also proposed this move because it is like how the Gregorian calendar is commonly referred to informally in casual conversations as the "Christian calendar" or "Western calendar" but never in academic sources as such. CentreLeftRight ✉ 01:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.