Talk:Josephine Webb (artist)

Edits added on 24 November 2023

@Christopherbuckley2: I've reverted your edit for a number of reasons. Nikkimaria (talk · contribs) kindly gave you some links that you need to read, WP:NPOV, WP:WP:USERG and WP:NOTCATALOG. I will add to that. Please read WP:RSP, Find a grave is not to be used as a reliable source. You're also using over-the-top prose such as "Dublin, Ireland which is a city steeped in rich artistic history and Josephine was definitely a part of the creative legacy", "unique style and captivating artwork", "Josephine Webb's career was a testament to her unwavering dedication to her craft" and so on. Statements Winning medals, needs a reference. Virtually everything you write needs referencing.

The edit meanders all over the place, repeats information and isn't formatted in the way Wikipedia article are usually formatted, such as Relevant to Wikipedia articles section. I really hope this explains why you've been reverted. I understand you are doing an assignment, but you need to read up on Wikipedia policies. I also suggest that you throw out any ideas about creative prose and just stick to referenced facts. If a reference states her work was "It's incredible to think about the wide reach and impact of her artistic contributions" then include it as a quote. If not, then it's just an unreferenced opinion of one Wikipedia editor. Good luck with the project and you can always ask around for advice when editing. Knitsey (talk) 16:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Recent edits dated 27 November 2023

There are and were some serious errors in edits dated 27 November 2023 by Danni Molloy, Christopherbuckley2, Michaelmoloney13}, and JamieMcLoughlin1. All the content was apparently added as part of a University course connected to Smirkybec. (I see that experienced editors Knitsey and Viewmont Viking have also edited the article and am pinging them to thi discusion.)
Please, all the students editing this article...PLEASE do not edit the article until you have responded to my listed concerns below.

1:Copyright violations - This is serious stuff. Wikipedia takes this issue very seriously. Content must be put into your own words, not just lifted/copy-pasted from a source without attribution. Please refer to

• copying from Findagrave
• copying from Whyte's

2:removing content that is sourced and removing or mangling the sources - see this edit for an example. 3.using MOS:PUFFERY flowery language and not sticking to an encyclopedic tone, see WP:IMPARTIAL/WP:SUBJECTIVE for examples. 4.Using FindaGrave as a source in the article. Please refer to the Find a Grave entry at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources which states:

The content on Find a Grave is user-generated,and is therefore considered generally unreliable. Links to Find a Grave may sometimes be included in the external links section of articles, when the site offers valuable additional content, such as images not permitted for use on Wikipedia. Take care that the Find a Grave page does not itself contain prohibited content, such as copyright violations.

5. Adding unsourced content - see this edit.

Please all you students - even though it might not seem so - this is all a help. Your contributions will be deleted if they are re-inserted without changing the editing errors that have been previously pointed out to you on this page and that are being pointed out to you now. Please don't just blindly revert - if you do you could possibly run afoul of the three-revert rule. Please come to this talk page and discuss and learn and we can all work together to have your contributions to this article stay in Wikipedia and you all get your course credit. Shearonink (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the comprehensive reply Shearonink. Can I add, I personally don't want to see anyone fail in this endeavour, I don't think any editor wants that. If we can help in any way with explanations, advice or even help with looking for links then I'm happy to try and assist. Knitsey (talk) 17:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Why is our work being reverted

After reading your remarks we have gone back and changed any opinion based sentences in our article, can we post them now? JamieMcLoughlin1 (talk) 17:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

The "why" is all listed above. Thank you for coming to the article talk page. You are apparently referring to the present iteration of your sandbox - User:JamieMcLoughlin1/sandbox? Taking a look now. Shearonink (talk) 17:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

thank you for your help JamieMcLoughlin1 (talk) 17:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

This is my new work on her career is it ok?

Josephine Webb was from Dublin, Ireland, Josephine was a part of the creative legacy along with other notable Irish female artists such as Mainie Jellet, Evie Hone, Swanzy HRHA and Norah McGuinness. She began her career as an artist in the late 1890s, where not shorty after she gained recognition for her unique style as her work was shown in various famous galleries and art shows, both in Ireland and Internationally, for example the National Gallery of Ireland, RHA (Royal Hibernian academy), WCSI (Water-colour Society Ireland) and the RBA (Royal Society of British Artist). Her work was also showcased in various contemporary art fairs, such as Art Basel and the Frieze Art Fair. However before all of that she began her career by showcasing her artwork in local galleries and exhibitions. Her first recognised piece was a captivating painting called "Dreamscape," which caught the attention of art critics and enthusiasts, her early works were characterised by a focus on realism. "Dreamscape" was known for its vibrant colours, surreal imagery, and intricate details.Her artwork is still being sold and auctioned to this day for example her 'RED AND WHITE CARNATIONS IN A GLASS VASE' was sold on the 27th of May 2006 and the 'Continental Landscape with Sailing Boat' was also recently sold. Webb's art was heavily influenced by her Irish heritage . She drew inspiration from the rugged landscapes, rich history, and cultural traditions of Ireland. Her works often depicted scenes of rolling green hills, ancient ruins, and mystical Celtic symbols, capturing the essence and beauty of the Irish countryside, she depicted landscapes, portraits and flowers.

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3. https://www.adams.ie/2004-lot-154-Josephine-Webb-1853-1934-Continental-Landscape-with-Sailing-Boat-Watercolour-29-x
5. Irish women artists : from the eighteenth century to the present day. Internet Archive. [Dublin] : National Gallery of Ireland : Douglas Hyde Gallery. 1987. ISBN 978-0-903162-40-1.

JamieMcLoughlin1 (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Some suggestions...

She began her career as an artist in the late 1890s, where not shorty after she gained recognition for her unique style as her work was shown in various famous galleries and art shows, both in Ireland and Internationally, for example the... needs a reference.

Her work was also showcased in various contemporary art fairs, such as Art Basel and the Frieze Art Fair...needs a reference.

Also, stick to a chronological order.

more to follow. Knitsey (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Her first recognised piece was a captivating painting called "Dreamscape," which caught the attention of art critics and enthusiasts, her early works were characterised by a focus on realism. "Dreamscape" was known for its vibrant colours, surreal imagery, and intricate details.... Scrap captivating, how do we know it caught the attention of critics?

She drew inspiration from the rugged landscapes, rich history, and cultural traditions of Ireland. Her works often depicted scenes of rolling green hills, ancient ruins, and mystical Celtic symbols, capturing the essence and beauty of the Irish countryside, she depicted landscapes, portraits and flowers....How do you know what inspired her, are there landscapes she created, same with Celtic symbols etc. Did she write about this at all? Letters to friends etc. It would be a primary source but might be relevant in this situation? You mention realism then call the painting surreal? Knitsey (talk) 18:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I hope this helps? It might help us to help you if we knew where you got some of the information on for this artist? Knitsey (talk) 18:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm just having a think about this. I'm not going to be near a reference library any time this week (my local library isn't a reference library). Have you access to resources locally that might help? It's always a problem when looking for references for women before our current era. One trick is, if she married then even if she was known under her maiden name, some referencing might be under her married name e.g Mrs Josephine (married name). Jstor isn't great for me to navigate with a mobile but you might have more luck. Knitsey (talk) 18:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

JamieMcLoughlin1 - Any wording/phrasing that is puffery or flowery or basically too enthusiastic and isn't in an encylopedic tone has got to be adjusted. Might seem dry as dust but this article is not a public relations piece, it's in an encyclopedia, it's in a reference work. Shearonink (talk) 21:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Also. I agree with Knitsey - put where you found it. You stated above

Her first recognised piece was a captivating painting called "Dreamscape," which caught the attention of art critics and enthusiasts

Well, who said - first recognised piece/captivating/caught the attention of art critics and [art] enthusiasts

You found that phrasing somewhere, some of the wording isn't suitable for an encyclopedia but you found it *somewhere*.

See Help:Referencing for beginners. I'm also going to post a ref help on everyone's user talk pages who seems to be in the Josephine Webb group.Shearonink (talk) 22:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Just went in and did some general cleanup. Also, there was a lingering copyvio issue, see this comparison so that had to be cleaned-up. Shearonink (talk) 02:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)