Talk:Jon Moxley

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jon Moxley/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 10:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Links

• ref 302 is to the Express, which is unreliable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:59, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• Notes should be cited. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:59, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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• Note C should be shortened. Simply say it had multiple names during is tenure. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:59, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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• In the External links, do we need so many profiles? Surely his more notable ones trump his IPW and HWA profiles. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:59, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Removed IWA and HWA profiles.  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• WP:INFOBOXCITE - Don't need so many refs in the infobox. Most of this can be source in prose. (I admit, it's difficult for weight and height (but could be in the persona section). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:59, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Removed all sources from infobox that are also cited in lede, kept sources for height, weight and billed location as they are not cited anywhere else in the article and I cannot find an appropriate place for them.  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}

Prose

Lede

• Lede's should be a maximum of 4 paragraphs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Separated into four paragraphs, should hopefully provide a more chronological and compact read.  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• developmental territories Florida Championship Wrestling - two links next to each other (or more) is a WP:SEAOFBLUE. Be careful, and reword to avoid. This happens a few times in the lede (and the main prose) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• (with Seth Rollins). - just put Rollins, as you've denoted him earlier. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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• shortly after his WWE exit - unnecessary.
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• Wasn't he also in another film? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • He was, but that was only a cameo appearance. Isn't really notable for lede. This is covered in the "other media" section. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• The lede seems to mention a lot about his accomplishments, but nothing about him as a wrestler, which is arguably more important for the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}

General

• there's a couple of duplinks, such as Roman Reigns and heel. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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• might be worth trimming the TOC down to just second level headers, as its very long. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Has been trimmed. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)} 15:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
• We don't bold in prose. See WP:BOLDAVOID. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• Moxley also won Combat Zone Wrestling's CZW World Heavyweight Championship twice in 2010 by defeating B-Boy[3] and Nick Gage,[24] respectively. - could we put citations after punctuation? It's quite common in this article Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• Any reasons why some images are left aligned? The first one is particularly bad. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Removed some of the unwieldy and ugly left aligned images, although I have kept some for diversity. For instance, if you look at a magazine, they don't cram all the images into one side of the page. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• World Wrestling Entertainment/WWE - it's not both of these things. Pick one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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• as villains.[47][48][49][50] - WP:REFBOMB - pick the best two Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• The quotes are a bit much. The first is innocuous enough, but the second is quite long, and a bit NPOV. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• A couple of the longer paras could be split down. They are a bit towards too long. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Could you please elaborate which ones you mean? Tried to shorten some down best I could. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• Any reasons why the images are really densely populated at the top, and then nothing at all later? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • It's like that because we have tons of images depicting him in his WWE character, but none of him in his AEW/NJPW gimmick. Will remove some of the ones that just say "Ambrose in [whatever date]", but I feel the ones that are describing something should stay. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• I think the parts about the subject not liking his time in WWE are misplaced in career, move out to persona or own section. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done, now in other media. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• He left WWE citing the cause as mental and emotional exhaustion after six years of explaining to McMahon how his ideas for Good's character were "stupid". Due to McMahon's control over the company, Good had to follow McMahon's writing, which left him unhappy. Good came to dread promos, which were previously his favorite part of performing as a wrestler, to the point of feeling physically ill.[223] His experience was corroborated by both Jericho and various anonymous WWE wrestlers and staff - this whole bit is very much pushing an agenda against the administration. Probably needs a rewrite after moving. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Removed. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• The word "kayfabe" is linked, but the article should really give some gravity as to what this means. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Indicated that kayfabe means "fictional", not "real". DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• From July to August, Moxley competed in the B Block of the G1 Climax, which he ended with five wins[253][254][255][256] and four losses,[257][258][259][260] failing to advance to the tournament finals with a final standing of 10 points. - holy REFBOMB batman!
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• The "other media" section should probably remove all of the mentions of him appearing in the video games. It's hardly notable. (if rewritten, just say first appeared in this game until this one). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Abbreviated to first appearance to last appearance, removed his other appearances in between. Video games are notable though, and standard for many other wrestling articles. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• His acting is also the most notable part and should go first. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}
• staph infection that nearly killed him - we can't say that. . Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I think we can, it's a direct quote from him. I will put it in quotations. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)}

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definitely not mandatory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
  • On hold for now. Mostly prose issues and a couple reference/MOS issues. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Will try to get this done within the weekend, thanks for the feedback. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)} 15:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
    • Most of the stuff so far looks fine so far DTH89. Could I get you to address the remaining points? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I believe I have dealt all of the issues in the best manner possible, let me know when you can get around to having a look, @Lee Vilenski:. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)} 10:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I did a couple small edits and I'm happy to pass now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. DTH89^{(sexy talk page)} 12:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Meltzer

Meltzer is not an “esteemed” wrestling journalist, the IWC lampoons him on a constant basis. Perhaps an unbiased person needs to clean this up 2600:100E:B01E:E51F:1DEE:6DCB:EC90:8EF5 (talk) 23:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

What the IWC says and does is irrelevant. You don't have to like the guy, but he will be used as a source as well as his site. If you have issues with Dave Meltzer and his site being used, bring it up at on the WP:PW/Sources talk page. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 07:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)