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Latest comment: 3 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

@Utcursch:, some points:

Military career/Saurashtra: Khangara is mentioned as ruler of Junagadh defeated by Siddharaja. Is it the same king known as Ra'Khengar in popular legend of Ranakdevi?Source The article does not mention Ranakdevi at all. May be legend is derived from history. There is also a shrine dedicated to her at Wadhwan.

If Kahangara=Ra'Khengar (I assume) of Chudasama Dynasty (the article is poor in shape), list of rulers in infobox informs that Navaghana and Khengar were different rulers. May need some serious research and improvement is Chudasama articles needed.

Discussed below.--Nizil (talk) 06:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

From Chaulukya dynasty article: Syedna Ismail, the 34th Da'i al-Mutlaq of the Dawoodi Bohra community, also claimed descent from Jayasimha Siddharaja.^[1] --- Not at all mentioned here. Needed here? Done
Taiyabi Ismaili and Satpanth Ismaili pirs had claimed to had secretly converted Siddhraj to Ismailism. Though not accepted by historians, the legends are popular among them.Read pg. 63 Needed here? Done

It is like Siddhraja is "origin of all important communities of Gujarat" as above source suggested. :D

Legend of Jasma Odan is also missing. It is her curse which left Sahastralinga tank dry and Jayasimha childless. May be historically not true but worth a mention. How about section on Legends? Done

Already legends of Barbaraka is mentioned.--Nizil (talk) 19:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

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^ Jonah Blank 2001, p. 44.

Good observations. Khangara may be same as Ra Khengar, but I'm not sure. Feel free to update the article with sources. utcursch | talk 01:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Khengara edit

Hi, @Utcursch:. I am working on Chudasama dynasty related articles since last few days. I created Khengara (12th century king) which the same Khangara you have mentioned in Saurashtra section. Please go through the article and make changes in this section accordingly. Few points should be noted:

Merutunga has confused Navaghana with Khengara in Prabandhachintamani. All other sources mention Khengara only. Based on Prabhavaka-charitra and bardic tales, it is clear that Navaghana was different person and most probably his Khengar's father.^[1] Please read article to clarification.
For Hindi translation of original Prabandha-chitamani:

^[2] The Hindi translation clarifies confusion in Majumdar's text about Navaghna and Khengara. and provides useful info.

I have added bardic tales of Khengar's vows and Ranakadevi too. I am working on separate Ranakadevi article too.
"This is corroborated by a 1120 CE inscription found at Girnar." is written in SJ article but I noted in Khengar article that no such inscription is ever found. So this should be removed to.
SJ article does not mentions Shri Simha Samvat possibly established by SJ to commemorate his victory over Junagadh which continued for about 150 years in inscriptions found in Saurashtra. See date section.
The SJ article says "(whose rulers claimed Abhira descent)" but Chudasamas never claimed Abhira descent. Instead they claim Yadava descent as said in Chudasama_dynasty#Origin.2C_Genealogy_and_Chronology and Abhira Ranaka=Ahir Rana is applied only to describe their alliance or support of Ahirs who are believed as Abhira tribe descents. see Chudasama_dynasty#Titles.

I think Saurashtra section may need rewrite to some extent. Please go through: Parikh, Rasiklal C. (1938). "Introduction". Kavyanushasana by Acharya Hemachandra. Vol. II Part I. Bombay: Shri Mahavira Jaina Vidyalaya. pp. CLXXVIII–CLXXXIII. which is very good and detailed source on Chaulukya dynasty. I clarifies and corrects lot of info with mention of lots of sources directly. I think it is better than Majumdar. Please discuss if you have any issues or questions. Regards,--Nizil (talk) 06:26, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Karna-vihara edit

@Utcursch: The article mentioned that the Neminath temple on Girnar was called "Karna-vihara" after Siddharja's father Karna. I have removed it because I could not find it in Dhaky ref. I think it must have been sourced from somewhere else. If you know, please reinstate with that reference. I could not find that reference.-Nizil (talk) 05:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

^ Chaudhary, Gulab Chandra (1954). Political History Of Northern India from Jain Sources (c. 650 A.D. to 1300 A.D.). Amritsar: Sohanlal Jaindharma Pracharak Samiti. pp. 249–251.
^ Acharya, Merutunga (1940). "3". In Muni, Jinvijayaji (ed.). Prabandhachintamani. 3 (in Hindi). Vol. I. Translated by Dwivedi, Hajariprasadji. Ahmedabad-Culcatta: Singhi Jaina Granth Mala. pp. 76–77. {{cite book}}: Check |first= value (help)

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[FOOTNOTEJonah_Blank200144-1] Jonah Blank 2001, p. 44.

[:0-2] Chaudhary, Gulab Chandra (1954). Political History Of Northern India from Jain Sources (c. 650 A.D. to 1300 A.D.). Amritsar: Sohanlal Jaindharma Pracharak Samiti. pp. 249–251.

[:1-3] Acharya, Merutunga (1940). "3". In Muni, Jinvijayaji (ed.). Prabandhachintamani. 3 (in Hindi). Vol. I. Translated by Dwivedi, Hajariprasadji. Ahmedabad-Culcatta: Singhi Jaina Granth Mala. pp. 76–77. {{cite book}}: Check |first= value (help)

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