Talk:Invicta Watch Group

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I removed the line "They created luxury watches at affordable prices" because this is a statement of opinion and is wholly subjective. If a source can be provided, one could say "The company has a stated goal of providing luxury watches at affordable prices" but as a standalone statement of fact it does not meet standards. TimOliv (talk) 13:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Also needs to be cleaned up, wtf happened to the end? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.80.122 (talk) 09:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It correctly describes the way this company is doing business... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.201.69 (talk) 23:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a pretty useless piece, smacking of opinion (which I probably wouldn't disagree with) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.101.96.15 (talk) 05:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Reliable source?

The Invicta Watch group is a company that appeared out of nowhere and has sprouted all over ebay and the quality of their items vary. Their own website claims that they were founded 1837 but how reliable is this? Wouldn't a mushroom brand be expected to claim to have a rich, european history? Are there any other sources for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.208.115.202 (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The company existed in Switzerland definitely before the modern re-casting of it. You can find old -- early 1900s and later -- Invicta timepieces on collectors' sites. (e.g. from the 1970s: "Invicta Ladies watch circa 1970s") The current company claims to descend from or just be a continuation of the original company. More research is called for. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 02:12, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

For many companies, all we have is when they say they were founded. No one else, in many cases, can know for sure unless there is non-derivative history supporting it in print: that is, many histories will eventually derive the foundation date from what the company said. There are more obvious exceptions, but Invicta doesn't seem to show up a lot in the watchmaking/timekeeping history books. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 04:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Very old vintage Invicta watches: Old antique Invicta watches ... --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 05:40, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Invicta watch group and the orginal Invicta Watch Company are not related. The real history is here The original company was dissolved and was called Invicta Montre SA. Invicta Watch Group is a marketing firm, not a watch company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchlords (talk • contribs) 16:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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Invicta Watch Group

I moved this from my talkpage so that we can discuss it in the article talkpage and not mine:

Hello. I've been editing Wikipedia since January 2005. I'm not quite in a habit of being sloppy. You, without discussion, reverted out a re-inclusion of an external link to the Better Business Bureau (BBB) entry in the Invicta Watch Group saying in your edit comment "non-standard metric ... for any ...".

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  — prev) 07:53, 14 October 2012‎ Dr.K. (talk, contribs)‎ m . . (5,174 bytes) (-248)‎ . . (Undid revision 517682828 by Wikiklrsc (talk) Non-standard metric for watch company articles or any company article for that matter.) (rollback: 1 edit, undo)

Metric? It contains relevant information about a company and as a metric, as you call it, gives some indication of public interaction in a business sense. Admittedly, it's not quite usual. It lists also the key people in the company. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

First please relax. Noone called you sloppy. Second, I didn't know that you valued this external link so much that I had to discuss it on the talkpage. Yet I did provide a detailed edit summary for my reversion:

Undid revision 517682828 by Wikiklrsc (talk) Non-standard metric for watch company articles or any company article for that matter.)

This means that adding an external link to Better Business Bureau for this company is unusual and non-standard for company articles because I have not seen other watch company articles or any other company articles with external links to BBB. I don't think Rolex, Bulova, Seiko, General Motors, Chrysler etc. to name a few have any external links to Better Business Bureau. In addition the link to BBB for this article is not very informative. It just has a rating of "D", so what? It also says that the Invicta company is not accredited by BBB. Again so what? Therefore I don't think that the value of this external link in an encyclopaedic sense is great, consequently I removed it. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 20:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

In addtion you reverted the BBB external link with no talkpage discussion yourself and with an edit summary: (Undid revision 516166773 by 24.217.88.112 (talk) NO OBVIOUS REASON FOR DELETION OF BBB MATERIAL) So I thought that by giving a detailed edit summary it would give you the reason you were looking for. I didn't see in your edit summary that you wanted to discuss this matter on the talkpage. So please do not accuse me for not opening a discussion when you yourself never asked for it. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 20:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Very good. We'll leave it at that. One is reminded of the semantics of "hope" in the Pandora legend as Hesiod related it. Best wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 00:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Bob. Although I am not quite sure how the Pandora reference applies in this case, it does sound elegant and memorable. In that spirit, I bid you farewell. It was nice talking to you. Best wishes. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 00:33, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Oh, it was just some in-context fun with "hope". As you know it's one of the most discussed legends in Hesiod and likely came from other sources. One take was explaining why hope ("elpis") was in a jar (not box in Greek) with all the evils unleashed upon Mankind. It turns out there seem to be two kinds of hope according to the scholars. Again, best wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I wasn't aware of the philosophical debate centred around Pandora and her box. I just thought it was just another myth. Now that I checked I can see that your point is elegant and well-made. :) All the best to you. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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