Talk:I Miss You (Miley Cyrus song)

GA review concern

Reverted GA approval per discussion here. Left some comments on the GAN review page. MMagdalene722^{talk to me} 17:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:I Miss You (Miley Cyrus song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: LittleMissWikipoo (talk) 16:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm dispensing with the checklist because this article cannot be bettered! Great work! Pass with congratulations! Keep up the good work!LittleMissWikipoo (talk) 16:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that this was initially passed hastily; see discussion of this and other quick passes here. It looks good for the most part, but still needs a little bit of work. The main thing I see is that there are citations in the lead paragraph; per WP:LEAD, the lead should be a summary of the body and therefore not need citations. I put it back in the queue. MMagdalene722^{talk to me} 17:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC):

I can't find references for the format of the tour concerts (as opposed to the movie). Can you add them or point them out? Geometry guy 22:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Added references and removed some unsourced info. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciated that you are engaging with this (re)review of the nomination. Note that I replaced "The song received positive reviews" by "The song received mixed reviews" in two places. I don't think my replacement is accurate. From what I have seen, the reviews are more nuanced, and it may not be appropriate to summarize them in such a phrase. Can you take another look and expand on what the reviews actually say, without interpreting whether they are positive or negative? Geometry guy 00:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Stating whether it was positive, mixed, or negative is important. Check FAs like "4 Minutes". I tweaked up the section and put a better summary of it on the lead. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Much improved. Geometry guy 21:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't able to find anything about the Billy Ray Cyrus video or the Ron Cyrus slide show in the sources, so I removed this information. Please readd if there are sources. The film itself is a reliable source for basic facts about what happened in the film, but such information may also be unnecessary detail (3b). Geometry guy 21:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Now can it be passed?? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 19:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

• I have two comments on this article:

Background

• The first paragraph of this section clearly isn't background at all, but describes the song's musical structure. I think this ought to be separated out into its own section. While on the topic of structure, I find it strange that the music is analysed but the lyrics are not mentioned at all.

• GAs like The Best of Both Worlds (song) are structured like this. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Live performances

• "Dressed in a gray shirt and black pants, Cyrus performed the song, "Ready, Set, Don't Go", and "The Best of Both Worlds" on The Oprah Winfrey Show on December 20, 2007, as a screen displayed a "sky-like" background." Is "the song" a reference to "I Miss You"? If so, that needs to be clarified. Is it really important that she was wearing a gray shirt and black pants? If so, why?

• Changed and live performances section is used to describe the performances themselves (the song itself doesn't change), and what the singer wears is important to the presentation. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

--Malleus Fatuorum 00:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Geometry guy 00:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm willing for the hold period to extend until 19 December. If no response is received before then, I will close and not list. Geometry guy 23:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The issues have not been adequately addressed. There remain concerns about a lack of coverage: the lyrics are important to this song, and the description of Cyrus's dress in just one performance seems spurious. A fresh review is needed: perhaps Breakout (Miley Cyrus song) will provide inspiration for improvement in the meanwhile. Geometry guy 21:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:I Miss You (Miley Cyrus song)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer:  Gongshow ^Talk 01:51, 28 May 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   In the lead: "...was written by Cyrus", and later in the "Background" section, and again in the audio caption, Cyrus is credited as the sole writer. These instances should be perhaps be changed to "co-written", as the song's infobox indicates there are two other writers.

• In the "Background" section: "Cyrus later recorded the song for her debut album, Meet Miley Cyrus." - The source provided shows information on the "Artist Karaoke Series: Miley Cyrus" album. Maybe this album is what the prose was meant to reference?
• In the "Critical reception" section: "Heather Phares of Allmusic stated that since Cyrus did not make a memorable impression in the first Hannah Montana soundtrack as herself, the voice change Cyrus used to differentiate herself from her television character worked well" - This sentence is really an overall comment on the album as a whole, not "I Miss You". I would remove this.

1. B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

   In the "Background" section, it states the song "incorporates pop rock and soft rock elements" - The source provided does not indicate this; it states only that "the arrangements are more organic and rock-oriented". Further, this description was not assigned to "I Miss You" specifically, but to "several songs" on the album.

• "...which inspired Cyrus to write 'I Miss You'". - While I believe this to be a truthful statement, the source provided does not credit Cyrus as a songwriter. I would substitute another source that more clearly expresses that her grandfather's death inspired Miley to write the song.
• In the "Live performances" section: I see that this page indicates Cyrus performed the song on Oprah, but what about the "sky-like" background, and why is that in quotes?
• In the "Critical reception" section: "Joseph P. Kahn of the Boston Globe mentioned that the song "surpass[es] much of what's heard on Radio Disney" - Kahn only noted parenthetically that Cyrus writes songs, including "I Miss You". The comment about "surpassing much of what's heard on Radio Disney" refers to "her tunes". This should be removed from the article.
• "Maitland McDonagh of TV Guide described the song as 'a vague rocker-chick grab' that showed how much she loved her grandfather." The "vaguely rocker-chick garb" refers to her clothing in-concert, so for commentary on "I Miss You", the reviewer only says that "she sings about...how much she loved her grandfather".

1. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   More details on the song's lyrical composition are needed, in my opinion. It's clear the song was dedicated to Cyrus' late grandfather, but I recommend adding more information on specific lyrics, as other Cyrus/Montana GA (and potential GA) articles have (e.g., "Breakout", "The Best of Both Worlds", "Supergirl", "Butterfly Fly Away", etc). I'm also concerned that the reviews in the "Critical reception" section amount to, at best, three one-liners. I recommend adding more commentary from critics - by quantity and/or quality.

   This has been brought to my attention several times but what can I do if there is no coverage of it? Nothing more exists. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 02:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

   B. Focused:

2. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

3. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

4. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   While not required, it would be nice if the article contained an image, especially since the infobox contains no image (I assume because there was no physical single released). Any chance there's an image of Cyrus performing the song live, a la most of her other GA articles ("Fly on the Wall", "7 Things", "Start All Over", etc)?

   No image available. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 02:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

   That's okay, just wanted to make sure.  Gongshow ^Talk 00:02, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

5. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

I have made some minor edits to the article, mostly for small cleanup and/or to tighten up sentences which came across to me as unfocused or excessively wordy. Let me know if you have any questions.  Gongshow ^Talk 01:51, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

• The issues have been resolved. While I would have liked to have seen more coverage for the song, the article is sufficiently broad (addressing the song's main points), and also meets the other GA criteria. Congrats!  Gongshow ^Talk 05:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

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