Talk:History of the New York City Subway

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"$1,230,000,000 was spent to create three tunnels and a half-dozen holes as part of construction on the Second Avenue and 63rd Street Lines"

Are we sure that the $1,230,000,000 figure for the 63rd Street Line and the small completed portions of the Second Avenue Subway? It seems a bit much given that neither are massive projects (such as the SAS today). Looking at the page history, it appears that it was originally inserted as part of a less-than-serious start of Subway expansion in New York here and merged to this article by User:SPUI here. Jason McHuff 01:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

It is appropriate to be skeptical, and it would be a help to have access to the original article. What are they including in the figure? Are they including the $500 million c1950 bond issue that was supposed to build the SAS and other things, but was only spent on the other things? A more straightforward explanation may be that the writer combined two different issues inappropriately: combining 63rd Street and the SAS. Though part of the same planning process, they are not the same thing. The 63rd Street project was large and difficult, including a new double-deck underwater tube, a complex connection to the Queens Boulevard Line, several stations, significant work on structure and track leads to the SAS, and connections to BOTH 6th and BMT Broadway Lines. This finished project (on the NYCTA side at least) could well have ended up in excess of $1B when you add in the engineering and planning work done on the SAS before the project was halted. -- Cecropia 01:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Cut and cover image

Here at the Graphics Lab I have asked for the harvest of an LOC image which might be useful for this article. gren グレン 08:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Lead missing

I have added a ((lead missing)) tag because the article starts with early history and has no article summary at all. the lead image is not even a subway. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

The article is rewritten completely and expanded significantly. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Sentence does not scan

"These improved maintenance schedules of the conservation status of the car significantly."

This sentence has two problems. The first is that it is not grammatical. I'd try to fix it, but I have little idea of what it is trying to say. For starters, I don't know "conservation status" means. Perhaps it's intended as a synonym for "condition". The second is that I see no antecedent for the improved maintenance schedules.

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Fire hoses; A late-20th Century addition or not

I saw this firehose on the 241st Street-bound platform at Nereid Avenue (IRT White Plains Road Line). ---------User:DanTD (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Can anybody confirm whether or not this is a response to the rash of fires and vandalism during the 1970's and 1980's?

new article with good data

I have just added the article below to the section on "external links." this is full of highly useful information on the history of the New York City subways. i don't have time now to expand this article, but anyone is free to use this data if they wish. thanks!!

• Why New York City Stopped Building Subways, by Jonathan English, April 16, 2018.

--Sm8900 (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Article split

As of this revision, the article is 16,500 words long, or almost exactly 100,000 characters of prose. Per WP:PAGESIZE, articles are typically split by the time they reach 15,000 words. Furthermore, even with all this prose, this article is still missing many details.

Thus, I propose splitting this article into three pages: History of the New York City Subway (1904–1940) (pre-unification), History of the New York City Subway (1940–present) (post-unification), and Incidents and accidents on the New York City Subway. Any other suggestions or comments are appreciated. Epicgenius (talk) 16:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Notice that we have several paragraphs on the 19th century, which I think ought to be kept. This means the early article would be something like: History of the New York City Subway to 1940 Jim.henderson (talk) 14:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

That is a good point. I was thinking that there might need to be an article about the early history of rapid transit in NYC, at least in the future. Early history of the IRT subway talks about the very first subway line (which was finished in 1904) but has some context about previous attempts at underground rapid transit. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)