Talk:Hispanic Americans in World War II

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Source issues

I found this article while looking for a FA to compare with another article up for review and at a quick glance it no longer meets the FA criteria for 1c. I'll check back in a while to see if these issues have been resolved. Kirk (talk) 22:57, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

• Hi Kirk, interesting observation. This article was "FA" on April 30, 2007, almost six (6) years ago. It passed peer review from those who oversaw the verification of the sources in order to be promoted to "FA." The article was good enough to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as "Today's featured article" on July 4, 2009. The situation with this article, as in all "FA" articles past and present, is that with time a lot of the sources cease to be or change and the article standards in Wikipedia continue to change. Therefore Kirk, I agree with you that maybe the article does not meet the current "FA" standards. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

General Goded

Sorry, but it seems controversial the adjetive of Hispanic for francoist general Manuel Goded, in despite of the fact he was born in Puerto Rico. At this epoch (1882) this island was a province of Spain, in the same way that Madrid, Tarragona, Biscay or every other. All the natives of Puerto Rico were Spaniards, it's to say, with Spanish nationality. General Goded was from Catalan roots, as is indicated by his two last names. The professional members of the Spanish Army, Guardias de Asalto (republican police corps) or Guardia Civil (republican, prerepublican and post republican constabularies) and also other members of the government, were periodically moved from one place to other, and because this the born place was, and till is, merely casual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.156.63.56 (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I am also sorry, but Puerto Rican citizenship was granted by Spain in 1897 to those born in the island. As a matter of fact the Puerto Rican citizenship replaced the Spanish citizenship that Puerto Ricans held at the time in 1898. This citizenship was reaffirmed by the United States Supreme Court in 1904 by its ruling in Gonzales v. Williams which denied that Puerto Ricans were United States citizens and labeled them as noncitizen nationals. Therefore, General Manuel Goded was a Puerto Rican who eventually became a citizen of Spain. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:40, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

FA in need of review

This is a 2007 FA promotion that needs work to rise to current standards. Issues:

• article needs a clean up of the refs (i.e. 8, 10, 18, 28, 105, etc.)
• FAs require "high-quality reliable sources" and several of those used in the article are not (just examples, I did not check all 121 refs):

• Ref 30: https://web.archive.org/web/20070818210304/http://www.bataanmarch.com/History.htm
• Ref 87 is a link to a bookseller, that published Kenneth Ruiz's book about Kenneth Ruiz;
• Is The Puerto Rican Soldier a hq reliable source?
• Is valerosos.com a reliable source?
• Is worldwar2pilots.net a hq reliable source? (Ref 53);
• Is this a hq reliable source? (Ref 54);
• Ref 60 is someone writing about their uncle - "This page is dedicated to my uncle";
• Is this a hq reliable source? (ref 61);
• Ref 9 is dead, but I doubt a group message on Yahoo is a hq reliable source;
• Are newsletters of former sailors hq reliable sources (ref 75)?

• there's uncited information in the article;
• Spotchecks:

• I've checked ref 47 against the article, and I can't find confirmation there about Commander Eugene A. Valencia, Jr., being credited with 23 air victories in the Pacific during World War II, or the Navy Cross, five Distinguished Flying Crosses, and six Air Medals;

• Note: I corrected this error, as the linked article doesn't mention Valencia's decorations at all. Intothatdarkness 13:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• I've checked ref 46 against the article. The page clearly has Content Copyright © 2005 Cavanaugh Flight Museum. All Rights Reserved. on the bottom. This Wikipedia article currently has a whole paragraph copy-pasted from this source;

• Note: reworded to address the copyvio Intothatdarkness 13:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• I've checked ref 48 against the article. There's nothing there about General Claire Chennault, or anything about help defend Chinese nationals against Japanese invaders. Nothing there about Lopez and being credited with shooting down five Japanese fighters, four in a Curtiss P-40 and one in a North American P-51.;

• Note: Corrected to match source info. Intothatdarkness 13:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• I've checked ref 53 against the article. That big paragraph on César Luis González? Only his death is in the source provided.

• Note: This one's just a lazy cut and paste from the main article about César Luis González, which appears to have sourcing problems of its own. Intothatdarkness 13:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I've only done these spotchecks. The article does not currently meet the FA criteria. RetiredDuke (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Reading through the original FAC I am unsure if this should have been promoted even against the standards of the time, and it comes nowhere near those of today. It is going to need a lot of input to get it up to scratch. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I don't see how the history of "Hispanic Americans in World War II" can be reduced to a few dozen individual servicemen. A genuine FA would need to address changes on the American Home Front, labour migration, race relations etc. I think pretty much the whole thing would need to be re-written. There is an abundant literature on this: Beyond the Latino World War II Hero: The Social and Political Legacy of a Generation, The Role and Experiences of Hispanic Soldiers During the World War II Era, World War II and Mexican American Civil Rights, Mexican Labor and World War II : Braceros in the Pacific Northwest , 1942–1947 or Bracero Railroaders: The Forgotten World War II Story of Mexican Workers in US West etc. —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

• Amazing - Let me see. I created this article on July 30, 2007, because the contributions and sartftces made by the Hispanic-Americans to the war effort has been overlooked by historians and omitted from our history books as a result of the rampant racism against that group then and even now. Now, the article was listed as a "Good" article on August 2, 2007. When the article was nominated to be promoted to "Featured article" it went under strict scrutiny by Users: TomStar81, Mattisse, AnonEMouse and SandyGeorgia all of which are experienced FAC editors and neutral who verified all of the sources.The article was promoted on August 30, 2007. It is such a good article that it even appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on July 4, 2009. I am proud to state that the article has been read by thousands of our readers in the last 13 years. As a matter of fact 1,588 people have read this article from 11/17/2020 - 12/7/2020·

According to our foundation "Hispanic Americans in World War II is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so". Of course some sources may have changed or even disappeared with time, that does happen. So, instead of making negative criticism of the article do as a good member of Wikipedia should do and improve it. The other option is to have it demoted, which is fine with me because I know that thousands of readers will continue to read and enjoy it. Tony the Marine (talk) 06:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Marine 69-71, please assume good faith. It is natural that the overall quality of articles on Wikipedia will change over time. This reflects not only the fact that an article will need to be updated to reflect the coverage of the topic in new sources but also changing standards on Wikipedia (FA-status was only created in 2005, I believe, and has been refined over the years). The WP:FAR process is designed to suggest and implement necessary improvements, not to "mak[e] negative criticism of the article". There is no reason the article cannot maintain its status with appropriate work... —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• This may seem strange, but yes I agree with you. Things do change over the years including the standards which were once set in Wikipedia Tony the Marine (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)