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Hi Brigate Piron, I'm tentatively back on WP after a several year break. My assignment in Pakistan is over and I'll be based the next four years in... wait for it... Madagascar. :D So I'm back on the Mada article project to the extent my job will allow time for it. So glad to see you're still here and working on beautiful articles like the Congo crisis. Hope all's well on your side. Cheers, - Lemurbaby (talk) 01:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lemurbaby. Thanks for the message and I'm glad to hear you're back! —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

List of churches in BrusselsEdit

Hi! Hope all's well with you too! All is well with me, except that I am problematically busy. I'll take a look at the article, but I probably won't have time to make it a thorough one, sadly. Cheers, Oreo Priest talk 15:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Saarland Protectorate listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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Émile SpellerEdit

Hello Piron, it's me again. I recently created an article on Émile Speller, the major commandant of the Luxembourgish Volunteer Corps during WWII and aid-de-camp to several Grand Dukes/Duchesses. I'd be most thankful if you would look the article over for me, assisting with necessary cleanup and adding relevant categories. If you can think of anywhere to find information on this guy, let me know. I've found one additional source that may information on the identity of Speller's wife, but it's in French and not easily translatable for me. Would it be possible for you to translate it, or do you know someone who could? --Indy beetle (talk) 04:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Indy beetle, not a problem - just had a quick skim through and it seems very good! Will take a proper look when I get a moment. —Brigade Piron (talk) 06:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Forgot to mention - I created the rather pathetic article for Albert Wingert. Don't suppose you have any sources to add to it with? I had thought more material was available and it looks rather sad at the moment...—Brigade Piron (talk) 06:37, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the assistance Brigade Piron! I just added a little info on Wingert's marriage that I found. I'm happy to return the favor and will continue digging. I think you are right in your assumption about more material being available. So far I've been looking at the reference section of the German article on him. The Luxembourgish Wikipedia also has a short article on him with a large "Further Reading" section. Unfortunately, most of those in the latter are in print and not available to me. --Indy beetle (talk) 15:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Just would like to bring up this source that I've found. I'll do what I can to translate the German text about Wingert, but I think you'll really want to use it for stuff on the Luxembourgish Resistance. --Indy beetle (talk) 16:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi Indy beetle, I've had a look at the article of yours - I'm afraid it will not be of much help. All the relevant information is that the youngest daughter of the three daughters of a certain Alfred Scholler married Speller. Unfortunately her name isn't given. I'll keep looking for more sources but I don't think there's much chance of finding something you've missed. If I have one suggestion it is that it might be worth putting a short paragraph about the role of the Volunteer Corps during the invasion of 10 May 1940? —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, Piron. I put in a short summary of the Corps involvement in the invasion, as you suggested. As for the mysterious Scholler daughter, I guess there's no real way to tell unless we find out more about her father, which seems unlikely. --Indy beetle (talk) 19:27, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
One more thing: I came across this documentary about the invasion of Luxembourg produced by the Luxemburger Wort newspaper. (If you can't access it, just give the site your email and it will let you through). I'm going to gather what I can from it, but my German isn't very good, so this could take some time. At any rate, it has some very interesting footage, and I think they show some letters signed by Speller. Though you should know. Indy beetle (talk) 05:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! I'll take a look. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Atrocities in the Congo Free StateEdit

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Battle of LiegeEdit

There's a new editor altering OOB data without citing it, an error of omission. I'm attempting dialogue but also realise that I've reverted three edits (!). Would you mind observing? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 08:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Keith. I see you problem. I think the IP user could profit from reading through WP:OR and especially WP:V. I'm not sure there's anything I can do, though - I think you're better off looking for an admin who can issue a gentle reminder...—Brigade Piron (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm pleased to say that the editor took the trouble to add citations (from Zuber) so my caution was unjustified. I offered links to OR and Cite too, thanks for the reply. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 17:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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Maurice SteinEdit

Hello Brigade Piron. You might remember perhaps, how I added some info to the German invasion of Luxembourg article a month ago. One part of the information concerned a meeting on the night of May 9th between the minister of justice, the police commissioner, and the commander of the gendarmerie. All I had was the gendamrerie commander's last name, Stein. I wanted his full name, naturally so I could include in the infobox under "Commanders and leaders." I've found these two pages from a book of some sort, [1] [2] and [3], that suggest that I'm looking at a Maurice Stein. Both are in French, which, as you know, I'm unable to read. Would you be willing to assist me in translating some of this? Basically the info about his activities before, during, and after the invasion; anything which could help improve the German invasion of Luxembourg article. Indy beetle (talk) 19:55, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Of course! Purely on the first of your sources, Maurice Stein took command of the Gendarmerie on 30 December 1932 and was also give command of the Compagnie des Volontaires on 9 October 1940 but was dismissed by the occupiers on 1 January 1941. He was deported to Wittlich but released under Gestapo supervision soon after when he fell ill. He worked with the allies after September 1944 but was after suffering an accident had to resign in May 1945 as an "Honorary Major".—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:42, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Articles 2 and 3 are not very exciting, though 3 does talk a bit about his role in stopping attempted Gestapo infiltration into Luxembourg during the Phoney War.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the assistance!. As for article 3, could you be more specific? Is there any information there that could be added to the "Background" section of the German invasion of Luxembourg article? Also, here is the last page, [4] and the first page [5].Indy beetle (talk) 21:00, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
I'm afraid there's not that much detail to add. According to p.25, he died on 7 March 1957 and had married in 1930. He was apparently involved in discussions about anti-tank barriers in 1939 (the Schuster Line I assume, p.24)—Brigade Piron (talk) 09:52, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

African nationalismEdit

I'll set up a Miscellaneous one at the bottom, including all general Africa ones like that and also off continent island entities like Canries and Reunion etc. That one can be for the odd ones like those which don't fit an African country. So I'll move that to there shortly.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:37, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Dr. Blofeld. I think it would probably be helpful to have such a section, if only to add stuff about the African Union and similar bodies too.—Brigade Piron (talk) 19:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Added, it's under Zimbabwe. I'll have to try to get somebody to cough up $20 on that one though ;-) For this Miscell. you can do anything on any of the related African island groups too, all in one section, anything which doesn't fit a country.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:45, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Africa DestubathonEdit

Hi, thanks for your work so far! Can you do me a favour though and always add every entry you do to the main list here as well as the entries page, regardless if yet approved or not as that's the master list of all articles being done. It's just very time consuming for me to be judging the articles, trying to contribute myself and chasing up what people have done and filling it out for people each time. So if you can take care of that this would be a great help, there's some part filled out ones underneath so you just need to add country, article name and then your username. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:33, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Two years ago ...
history of Belgium and Africa
... you were recipient
no. 1010 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Three years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

... and four --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

,,, and five --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Batetela RebellionEdit

Hello Brigade Piron. I notice that you have deleted the section of the above article covering the Force Publique mutiny of Dhanis expedition. Grateful for your reason. Regards Buistr (talk) 07:20, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Buistr, I'm sorry for the deletion and I hope you don't take offense at it. I think there are two reasons here of which the first and most important is the question of relative importance. The 1897 mutiny in just one of the "Batetela mutinies" - in my understanding, the term is applied to three, totally separate revolts that colonial authorities attributed to the same ethnic group and therefore connected. In my opinion, having a section about mutiny #2 without sections on the first and third (which are arguably more significant anyway) risks creating a false impression of the mutiny as a whole and distorting the reader's understanding of it. However, the sources available to me do not give me enough information to fill those gaps myself - hence the deletion. The second, less important, problem was the single in-line citation for a chunk of text.
I hope you'd agree that the article is, at least, slightly clearer following the additions made yesterday. Obviously the article is far from comprehensive at the moment and, if you have access to good source materials, please do add to it! —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining the reason for refocussing the article. However I hope that as more source material is identified the article can be expanded to provide some coverage of all three outbreaks. The limited information that I have access to does describe the 1896-97 mutiny of the large Sudan expedition as being the first major violent protest against the European presence in the Congo. As such this does seem to be a significant but (at least to English readers) little-known incident of Central African history during the colonial era. Buistr (talk) 18:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your understanding! I wouldn't say that 1897 specifically was the "first major violent protest" (1895 was probably more damaging) but you're certainly right about its importance. I'm hoping that I'll be able to significantly expand the article in the near future (I have some useful materials, but will not be able to access them for a couple of months). I was planning to do some work on rebellions in the Belgian Congo in the near future (we should probably have an article on the Pende Revolt of 1931, Luluabourg Mutiny of 1944, the Kwilu revolt of 1964-65, Student unrest of the 1970s etc. In the meantime, I've added some more details about the 1887 mutiny from your section to the article.—Brigade Piron (talk) 12:10, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


Please see my edit re Ruanda [6].--Woogie10w (talk) 12:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge inviteEdit

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Hello! I just bought - in Brazil!! - an old deck of playing cards and it is written (handwritten and signed) "souvenir des sons officiers de 3o Cie du 24e Bataillon de Fusiliers. 25 mai 1945", along with 6 signatures, on the Ace of Spades. One of the signatures seems to be from someone named "Calliwaerth". As far as I could find out, it is a Belgium Bataillon founded at Gand and which existed from February to December that year. I would like to find out more informarion about this 24th Bataillon de Fusiliers and about the guys who signed this card. Do you know how could I find more info? Of course, I can send a picture of the card. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to help with that - I'm no expert in the fusilier battalions. Most were never deployed out of Belgium though I don't know offhand if the 24th was one of the ones that was. If I find anything I'll let you know.—Brigade Piron (talk) 10:00, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Congo CrisisEdit

Hello BP. I was wondering why you reverted my edit on the Congo Crisis article. I was a little confused by your explanation. Could you clarify? -Indy beetle (talk) 18:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry about that. I had written a proper edit summary but must have pressed the wrong button before it saved. Basically the issue is twofold. Firstly, chronologically that picture would be much more logical in the section below it which already has a picture and, secondly, the place you current had it squeezed the text between two images. I suggest that if you really want that image, it will have to replace the "reconciliation" postage stamp - but that depends on whether you think the picture is more helpful to the reader. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Collect your prizeEdit

Hi, please carefully read the instructions at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon for collecting your prize. I will need you to send me an email, your wiki name, what I owe you and your preference for currency in dollars or pounds/country of residence.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:42, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jean-Baptiste PironEdit

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Move review for South-West AfricaEdit

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Your GA nomination of Jean-Baptiste PironEdit

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Jean-Baptiste PironEdit

Fantastic, thanks very much! —Brigade Piron (talk) 12:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! I thought of something I wanted to ask you about. In the lead, you say it was called the Brigade Piron. In the second paragraph of the section Jean-Baptiste Piron#World War II, you have this sentence:

  • The unit, numbering between 1,800 and 2,200 men, was soon popularly nicknamed the "Piron Brigade" (Brigade Piron) after him.

This last wording, with italicized "Brigade Piron" following the English phrase, suggests that "Brigade Piron" was the French name of the brigade. Was the brigade commonly known in English as "Brigade Piron"? Or was it called the "Brigade Piron" only by French speakers?

If the brigade was commonly known in English as the Brigade Piron, then you might consider adding "by its French name" before "Brigade Piron" in the lead. However, if you do that, then "known by" sounds better than "called" – compare "known by its French name Brigade Piron" vs. "called by its French name Brigade Piron" – (I had changed "known by" to "called" because you already had "best known" earlier in the same sentence). So, maybe it would be better not to mention "by its French name" there, but wait until the second paragraph of the World War II section to say that.

If, on the other hand, the brigade was commonly known as the "Piron Brigade" in English, then there is no reason to use "Brigade Piron" anywhere in the article except once: italicized in parentheses following the first mention in the World War II section that I mentioned above.  – Corinne (talk) 16:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

That's a good question and, in all honesty, I'm not quite sure. Brigade Piron obviously derived from the French (hence the word order) and based on a Google Books search, it clearly does have some currency in English-language works. That said, "Piron brigade" or "Piron Brigade" also seems to be used by modern sources. I'll make the (2nd) changes you suggest.—Brigade Piron (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, you could say somewhere that the brigade is known by both its French name and its English name.  – Corinne (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Battle of LiègeEdit

You might want to look at the talk page. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 19:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Copperbelt strike of 1935Edit

Hi, just wanted to ping you on Copperbelt strike of 1935. Please let me know for review comments - thanks again.Ssriram mt (talk) 13:49, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Vice Administrator-General / Vice Governor-GeneralEdit

Hello. As you know, yesterday I remodeled the list at List of colonial governors of the Congo Free State and Belgian Congo. While working on it, I've had a thought about removing all deputy colonial governors (Vice Administrators-General and Vice Governors-General), and leaving only those who were actual colonial governors (Administrators-General and Governors-General). The list look somehow "pilled up" if it include deputy colonial governors... Of course, I didn't want to remove them until I share my thoughts with you and hear your opinion on the matter. --Sundostund (talk) 14:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for the work on the article - it looks much better! This should probably be raised on talk, especially since there are at least a couple more active editors in the topic. Personally I think I support retaining the Vice-GG positions if possible on the grounds that the more information we have the better. That said, I do appreciate your point. Might some shuffling of the table (indenting for instance) solve the problem? —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm glad you like my work! As for the Vice-GG positions, I don't have some strong opinion about it. All of it is just an idea, I just thought how it would look if they're removed from the article... Maybe we can separate them in a different section within the article? If you have some idea about it, I'd certainly love to hear it. --Sundostund (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
That may be an option certainly. As I say, it is probably best to raise the discussion on the article's talk page before making any substantial changes! I'll see if I can find any more free pictures to illustrate it. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough! As I said, I don't have some strong opinion on the issue, and since I have some other things to do, I don't plan to raise the discussion at the talk page, at least for now... I fully respect what other users did at the article, that's why I didn't remove anything during my work there - I just reformatted the article. Also, it would be great if you can find more free pictures (especially those of post-1908 Governors-General, but of course look for pictures of pre-1908 officeholders as well). --Sundostund (talk) 16:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
The Vice Governor-Generals were the actual governors on the ground and should remain. See Congo Free State#Government. (Personally, I do not like the tables; I prefer plain lists. It also made the distinction between GG and VGG clearer.) Srnec (talk) 05:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
@Srnec: As you can see, I didn't even attempt to remove the Vice Governor-Generals from the article, without clear approval from other involved editors... Personally, I always prefer tables over plain lists - beside better systematization, they allow us to add elements which wouldn't exist in plain lists (images, years of birth and death, etc). If you have any proposal on how to make distinction between GG and VGG clearer than it is at the moment, I'd be more than happy to hear it. --Sundostund (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Separate tables. Srnec (talk) 22:35, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps that might be a good idea. It might also be possible to list Vice-GGs by Governors too? —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
@Srnec and Brigade Piron: Both of your proposals seems quite acceptable to me - I'm looking forward to see one of them implemented in the article (I can't say my final opinion until I see how it looks). I'll let you guys to implement what you think is the best in this case, then I'll make my corrections (if I find it necessary to correct something). --Sundostund (talk) 14:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do if I find some time! I don't suppose you could take on List of colonial governors of Ruanda-Urundi at some point by the way? —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:47, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Independence of the CongoEdit

Hey Piron. Just wanted to let you know that I created a simple draft at User:Indy beetle/Independence of the Belgian Congo. No doubt this project will take me some time. If you would care to put in some info, it would be much appreciated. -Indy beetle (talk) 02:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Indy. Thanks for the note. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Western Front (World War I)Edit

Greetings Brigade, the article is being reviewed and I wondered if you had a better source for Belgian W. Front strength? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 09:31, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Keith. I'm afraid I don't - only for the Yser in 1914. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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Editor of the WeekEdit

  Editor of the Week
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your concerned editing of Belgian articles. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Fitzcarmalan submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Editor Brigade Piron is by far one of Wikipedia's most valuable contributors when it comes to Belgian history. They've been editing this project for over five years now, making 30,000+ edits so far and authoring 23 good articles (to my count) in the process. And when it comes to countering systemic bias, having recognized it as one of this project's "core deficiencies", Brigade Piron is no less prolific. They've greatly improved many African history articles, a much needed initiative, and continues to do so in a regular fashion. I have never had the opportunity to interact with this editor before, unfortunately, but I am nevertheless delighted to nominate them as Editor of the Week.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 22:28, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations, Brigade Piron! The award is well deserved. Best regards,  – Corinne (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much! —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Contemporary History Style EditEdit

Dear Brigade Piron,

I have proposed a style edit of the article Contemporary History, to which you have recently contributed. I see you have a great many edits under your belt: would you like to review my work with your sharp historical eye as I begin this one?

Duxwing (talk) 06:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I certainly have no objection and will watch the results with interest. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Autopatrolled grantedEdit

Hi Brigade Piron, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Beeblebrox (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Administrative history, and an unrelated questionEdit

I apologise for the confusion refarding Administrative history's notability. I performed an adequate search using google before tagging the article. But i have been having issues with google's search results recently, so I switched to yahoo a few hours ago. I am also using bing and another search engine to avoid similar mishap.

I also wanted to ask, do you know how to add page number of a pdf file in reference? If you do, would you please tell me? Thanks a lot. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

No problem. I'm afraid I don't understand your question though? —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 July 2017Edit

Battle of Merkem, 1918Edit

Hello Brig, do you know of a Battle of Merkem (Merckem?) in early 1918? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 12:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

You mean this Merkem? If so, it's probably not very important in its own right - part of the wider Belgian advance in the 100 Days, an offensive generally known as the "Liberating Offensive" (l'offensive libératrice). It was probably only a skirmish with some Germans who hadn't retreated fast enough. I actually mildly regret creation Charge of Burkel on this same basis. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I mentioned it in Action of 1/2 December, it was a German attack on 17 April 1918, according to the OH. Keith-264 (talk) 15:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

just to say hiEdit

Hello Brigade Piron, thanks for categorising my images - the ones from Kazerne Dossin from last year in the Wiki loves Art competition. I consider visiting the african museum near Bxl which has been renovated for 4 years so many photo opportunities there I expect. I just now participate in the Wiki loves Public Space competition with many pictures of central station in antwerp + some minor other subjects. best rgds Ronald — Preceding unsigned comment added by DRG-fan (talkcontribs) 13:29, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar of European MeritEdit

  The Barnstar of European Merit
I, Vami_IV, award the Barnstar of European Merit to Brigade Piron for their participation in the European 10,000 Challenge, no matter how minor. –Vami_IV✠ 02:03, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
this WikiAward was given to Brigade Piron by Vami_IV✠ on 02:03, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


Hello. Help develop the article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you very much. (talk) 11:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Not really my field of expertise I'm afraid! —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Islam in the Democratic Republic of the CongoEdit

The edit you made on 15:19, 29 November 2016, which consists of the following sentence and its source:

One 2007 estimate put the figure at just 1.4 percent.[1]

The source you cite is strongly at odds with all other available sources, including another Pew Forum report cited in the article and the CIA World Factbook. This has led to an edit war, unfortunately. I am removing your edit, and if I have made a mistake, please point out any supporting source passage for your figure on my Talk page. Also, it is bad form to WP:edit war as an IP when you have a WP account.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:03, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

You are mistaken, Quisqualis. I am not the IP in question and I do not appreciate the accusation either. I do not live in the same country as him/her, as you might guess from a glance at my user page. We do not even have the same editing interests! Though I admit I made a single and entirely unconnected edit to the page during the edit war (which I had not noticed), I am genuinely baffled about how you could have reached that conclusion.
As you will see from the edit logs of both Arsi786 and the IP, their edit war is not restricted to the Islam in the DRC page. It includes a number of other subjects (including Tatars, Volga Tatars, Irreligion in Saudi Arabia) which I have never edited - or indeed read. They are also subjects about which I have no knowledge, let alone an opinion worthy of an edit war. Please assume good faith unless you have a decent reason not to.
That said, I do agree with the IP here that this source should be included - and for precisely the reason you cite. The estimate is notable because (1) the source from which it comes is clearly a WP:RS and (2) because it gives a very different estimate to the others cited. As you will see at p.30, the report puts the number of Muslims in the DRC at 943,000 - or 1.4% of the national population. (Since all population data for the Congo since the Mobutu years is based on estimates anyway, this disparity should not be too surprising.) It is cited to the Demographic and Health Surveys (2007) which should be a good enough source for anyone.
Above all, I'm slightly mystified about why neither Arsi786 nor yourself has raised the issue on the talk page or, indeed, in an edit summary. Is that really constructive?
I hope an admin will block both warring accounts in due course. —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Do not worry that I might report you as an edit warrior; the edit war is at low ebb. I'm sorry it appeared to me that you might be the same person as the IP. Note that at 15:19, 29 November 2016, you actually added that material in question: 1.4% muslim (Pew study published 2009). While I follow your argument, Pew also found a 10% muslim population in a different study from 2010. The most recent (2018) CIA World Factbook also gives a figure of 10% muslim. All of these are post-Mobutu dates, which is why I have to view the 1.4% figure from 2009 as aberrant. It was a figure Pew pulled from a source not specifically listed in its report, so there is no way to check it, either. I guess you can tell which edit warrior I was rooting for.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ "Mapping the Global Muslim Population: A Report on the Size and Distribution of the World's Muslim Population" (PDF). Pew Research Center. October 2009. p. 30. Retrieved 29 November 2016.

Islam in the Democratic Republic of the Congo ResponseEdit

Yeah I looked properly I thought you got confused with the other congo the fault was mine as I looked at the source given and I take full responsibility. Arsi786 (talk) 16:47, 17 March 2018

Hello BPEdit

Nice to bump into you again. I've got hold of a cheap copy of Liege 1914 by Zuber which has a lot of good descriptive material useful for the 1914 articles. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Your BoB foreign pilots draftEdit

You're aware of the single "foreign" pilot who was born in the Palestine Mandate, who is sometimes listed as "Israel" on these kind of lists? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

See Non-British personnel in the RAF during the Battle of Britain; it was George Goodman (RAF officer). Buckshot06 (talk) 08:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the message! Do feel free to make changes on the draft if you're interested by the way. I have come across Goodman but the general consensus seems to be that he doesn't qualify as "sufficiently" foreign as his parents only spent a brief period there on a work posting. There's a discussion here, if it is of interest. It will probably need a few sentences at some point, but I don't think that "Mandatory Palestine" can really be included on the same status as, say, Southern Rhodesia.
In all honesty, there is an embarrassing lack of clarity about what constitutes nationality in the Battle of Britain sources. The case of Barbados exemplifies this but, without moving into WP:OR, I don't think it is possible to do anything about it. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Rwandan Civil WarEdit

Hi Brigade Piron

Just in case you're interested, I've put the above article up for FAC today, in the hope of getting some feedback on it. If you have the time and inclination, please could you have a look over it? No probs if you're too busy though. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 12:10, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

1960 Force Publique mutiniesEdit

I saw that you moved the page name to the plural. It appears, however, that the sources refer to the event in the singular i.e. "a mutiny" with many parts. Vanderstraeten's book about the revolts, De la Force publique à l'Armée nationale congolaise: histoire d'une mutinerie, juillet 1960 is in the singular. Hoskyns in The Congo Since Independence: January 1960 – December 1961 refers to it as "the mutiny". The RAND Corporation's The UN's Role in Nation-Building: From the Congo to Iraq appears to do the same. -Indy beetle (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

To be frank, I wouldn't say I felt very strongly either way. Nor, I think, are the sources terribly helpful on this point. My argument that "mutinies" (pl) seems more appropriate came from the fact that the "mutiny" happened in several different (widely dispersed) places over the period of a week or two and had no single "leader" or motivating ideology. You're welcome to make a judgment on this, though I think it is important that the "1960" part be kept in the title to distinguish it from the (three) "Batetela" mutinies which arguably have a better claim to be the Force Publique mutiny because of their duration and effects on the EIC.—Brigade Piron (talk) 10:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree the time distinction is important, but seeing as most sources use the singular, I think its best we go with that. -Indy beetle (talk) 02:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I've moved the page. For the record I admire your work on the article! Would you consider adding a rather basic "background" section for new readers though, giving them a bit of context about what the Force Publique actually was? —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I was going to get around to expanding the article at some point. It's mostly just a content fork of Lumumba Government at this point. Willame and Hoskyns have more detail about it so when I get the time I'll have the necessary sources to improve it. -Indy beetle (talk) 18:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

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Peace Dove ChristmasEdit

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.
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Happy HolidaysEdit

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Battle of LiègeEdit

Do you have any sources for Austo-Hungarian artillery at Liège? Presumably this would be the 30.5 cm Skoda mortars? Now at Namur, yes. But everything credible that I've read recently says that they weren't there by Liège. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

2014 Katanga train derailmentEdit

Re your move of the 2014 Katanga train derailment article to 2014 Haut-Lomami train derailment, there is a problem. Your justification is that Katanga no longer exists as a province of the DRC. However, in 2014, Haut-Lomami did not exist. As we do not rewrite history on Wikipedia, I believe the article should be moved back to its original title. Mjroots (talk) 16:46, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

My apologies Mjroots. I must admit I believed the provincial reforms had happened in 2012, rather than 2015. Feel free to move it back. For what it's worth, "Haut-Lomami" referred to the region before it became a full province. 23:21, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your understanding. I've moved it back, but left the redirect in place. Mjroots (talk) 08:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Marie PopelinEdit

Hi there Brigade Piron,

I got a notification you undid my edit on the Marie Popelin article regarding the spelling of "court of appeal". The correct way to write "court of appeal" is without any capital letters, as only the names of unique courts are capitalized: e.g. Court of Cassation, Constitutional Court, International Court of Justice. The names of courts that are not unique (of which there exist more than one) are not written with any capital letter: e.g. court of appeal, court of assizes, police tribunal. These spelling rules both count for French as well as Dutch, see these websites for reference:,, (page 7), (top of page 25). If anything, the linked page should definitely written as "Court of appeal", because "Court of Appeal" is just a redirect page to "Court of appeal". Under Wikipedia policy, linking to redirect pages should be avoided. Therefor, I undid your undoing of my edit.

Kind regards, --Brentjee (talk) 22:04, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Brentjee, please do not take my edit the wrong way. It is well established in UK and US writing that you capitalise the name of a specific court - but this does not mean that there must be only one of them! Sources for this are here (UK) and here (US), though you will find plenty of others online. Conventions in French and Dutch (which are obviously different in many areas) are not relevant. You would be correct, though, if talking about a Belgian appellate court in a generic sense. You will see plenty of examples of this online (here is one random example) in a Belgian context. Best, —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:18, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

University of BrusselsEdit

Hello. We've managed to fix most of the incoming links to disambiguation page Free University of Brussels but there are still about 20 where it's not clear which university is intended. Please can you help? Most of the links are via redirect University of Brussels, so they may be for Catholic University of Brussels, fr:Université impériale à Bruxelles or fr:Université nouvelle de Bruxelles rather than the three obvious candidates. Thanks, Certes (talk) 19:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I am not really familiar with the DAB solver tool, and cannot find the remaining links. Could you tell me where to look? —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:12, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Incoming links from articles are listed here. I didn't see convincing evidence for any particular institution from a brief look at the text, references and corresponding fr: and nl: wiki pages. WP:Dabsolver could do the job but is best when fixing links from one page to several destinations. For fixing links into one page from multiple origins, as we have here, WP:DisamAssist is more appropriate, though frankly not worth installing just for 20 links. Certes (talk) 09:32, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I see what you mean. I've addressed a couple of them, but frankly I do think the ambiguity reflects the fact that they either do not meet the notability threshold or BLP verifiability. I am afraid I do not think I can help much. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:45, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for trying. By the way, should we move the dab to University of Brussels and make Free University of Brussels a redirect to there? It's normal to name a dab after the most general term, and that would allow us to include the Catholic university properly along with New University of Brussels which we both just found (the same 1894–1919 institution as fr:Université nouvelle de Bruxelles). Certes (talk) 09:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
The move you mention sounds reasonable, though I don't know if it would include Saint-Louis University, Brussels (or whatever it's called this week). I created the New University of Brussels article (based on the version largely) yesterday, so feel free to add to it! —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, let's add anything that could reasonably be referred to as "University of Brussels" or similar terms which redirect to the dab. I'll request the page move and move the entries up. Certes (talk) 10:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of link language wrapper templates (June 2019)Edit

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After a successful first iteration of the “Months of African Cinema” last year, we are happy to announce that it will be happening again this year, starting from October 1! In the 2018 edition of the contest, about 600 Wikipedia articles were created in at least 8 languages. There were also contributions to Wikidata and Wikimedia commons, which brought the total number of wikimedia pages created during the contest to over 1,000.

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