Talk:H. Kim Bottomly

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): User:Nrsayed, User:Srosassm, User:Hyi2, User:Sabene, User:Idalessa, User:Nvellanki, User:Ltso, User:Arothsch, User:Imanh19, User:Agw19, User:Dkreimer, User:Mkloo, User:Daisylily29, User:Angelinahli, User:Alewi01, User:Ziwi1998.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 3 May 2021 and 29 May 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sweatyy, Qgu.con, Scrakb.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Notes

Personal Life:

H. Kim Bottomly (Helen Kim Bottomly) was born in the rural outskirts of Helena, Montana in 1947. While at Washington University, where she studied for her undergraduate degree, she kept crabs in the dormitory sinks while studying their eating habits. She has two daughters, Hannah and Megan, as well as a step-daughter, Katherine, with her first husband, the late Charles Janeway Jr., an imunobiologist. She is currently married to Wayne Villemez, Professor of Sociology at the University of Connecticut. Arothsch (talk) 18:10, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Arothsch: What's your source for the full name and year of birth? If it's uncited, it may not go in the article, per WP:BLP. —C.Fred (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@C.Fred:

Hi, C.Fred, we are working on this project for a class and are in the process of editing the page, in good faith. We are updating the information currently. Can you please explain why you've removed much of our cited information in her biography? Arothsch (talk) 18:35, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Arothsch: The only information I've removed has been uncited, like the date of birth. I also commented out (but didn't remove) the two items in the career section that had question marks after them. —C.Fred (talk) 19:02, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Questions for the group: Do we care what order the headings are in (education, career, personal life)? I notice Paula's page lists personal life first... do we want the order to be different? Sbarbrow (talk) 01:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I think personal life as the first section reads a little better. Information about the person should come before information on this person's achievements. This order - personal life, education, career - seems more chronological and it would match President Johnson's page. --Daisylily29 (talk) 04:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

+1 to chronological ordering Dkreimer (talk) 04:27, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

This is a little random, but has anyone found a source that explains the "H" in "H. Kim Bottomly?" Mkloo (talk) 05:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I remember Dean Cappy Lynch tracked that down, it has something to do with the town Bottomly was born, do we know what it is? But there is no public information. Though I think Cappy Lynch found something in the local newspaper of her town. Let's ask Sarah how to find local newspapers. Emu14 (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

What sort of information should be included in personal life? Should we in some way reach out to ask what information she is comfortable having put on such a public source? Arothsch (talk) 01:48, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

If you look at other biographical Wikipedia pages, they tend to include basic stuff about siblings and parents (maybe what her parents did for a living), and where she grew up. I don't think there's really a need to reach out because it's not super extensive, but also because in order to put it in this wiki we'd need to link to a source, meaning that it would already be public information. Dkreimer (talk) 04:27, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I was looking at some other Wiki pages and I noticed that there are sub-sections to some of the headings. If we were to do Eni's idea of separating her scientific career and career at Wellesley and we were able to find some articles/sources on her research (which I am sure we can) what do we think about putting her research in a subsection under the scientific career heading? Hyi2 (talk) 03:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea, you can kind of get the gist of her research from looking at the things she's credited with, but not a lot of independent sources actually talk about what she did? One concise thing I found was her author bio on an editorial site (which isn't, I think the best source of information). Are we allowed to just skim some of her articles we can access and summarize what her body of work is? (If anyone's wondering, I looked at the things she's done and it has to do with immune response mechanisms, her later work eventually got into specifically asthma here's something she wrote that's admittedly behind a paywall but seems to be the main theme her study)Sethompson (talk) 04:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Should we have a section for the big things that happened during her presidency? I feel like just saying 'she was the college president' is a little reductive. We could talk about the trans inclusion policy (which has a lot of articles about it) and/or the sleepwalker statue incident? Sethompson (talk) 04:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea! Would that be a subsection under the "career" section? --Daisylily29 (talk) 04:06, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan and I agree with Kalau that it sounds like a subheading, but if we're doing that then we have to credit the student organizers who worked tirelessly to get the policy changed (specifically I think it was the student group Wellesley2020, and I'm sure there are news sources we can cite). Anyway student organizers deserve credit for their work, this is the hill I die on. Dkreimer (talk) 04:27, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Dkreimer YES! So we find the links and add them to the page :-) Sbarbrow (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I found a short bio of her on this site if you scroll down to her name, which could be useful. Also contains an image that seems to be licensed under CC.

It'll be good to include info in her bio box about who preceded and succeeded her as President of W and as Deputy Provost of Yale, maybe? Mkloo (talk) 05:08, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

That is a good idea! Then we can link President Johnson's page to her's and visa versa -Imanh19 (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I think we can include information about her inaguration like the Massachusetts Governor was there which is pretty cool. Ziwi1998 (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Something to add (maybe work on wording) In 2015, after a dialogue between students and administration, Bottomly instituted a new policy for transgender students at Wellesley College. Sethompson (talk) 18:07, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Also, whatever happened to the career section, whoever can figure out how to put it back in, we should put in headers like "Scientific Achievements" and "Time at Wellesley" Sethompson (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I just deleted this from the main page and wanted to keep the content: Sbarbrow (talk) 17:51, 6 October 2017 (UTC) PAGES THAT NEED TO LINK TO KIM BOTTOMLY'S PAGE: Wellesley College Category:Presidents of Wellesley College Paula Johnson Yale University Nannerl O. Keohane Diana Chapman Walsh Olin's President's Council

ABOUT ADMISSIONS POLICY CHANGES DURING HER PRESIDENCY: https://www.wellesley.edu/about/president/trustees/announcement, https://thewellesleynews.com/2015/02/25/wellesley-2020-petitions-for-trans-inclusive-admissions-policy/, https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/03/05/wellesley/1a3eDzywpzF4QAznRuOw3L/story.html, https://www.wellesley.edu/news/gender-policy 18:08, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

career at wellesley

FOR CAREER AT WELLESLEY: Vzygouras (talk) 18:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC) Ziwi1998 (talk) 18:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC) Alewi01 (talk) 18:06, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Can we create a section titled "Other Positions" like the one on Nan Keohane's page? There's some information out there about her positions on various boards and memberships to academic orgs that might be relevant there. Mkloo (talk) 04:11, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

References

Secondary sources

Hi guys, make sure that you put in some reliable sources that are independent of Bottomly, the places she's worked, and any people or organizations that are affiliated with her. By this I mean things like this news article by the Boston Globe. This looks like it's really good so far! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)