Talk:Germany–Slovakia relations

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The result of the move request was: Not moved to the noun versions; no consensus for moving from the hyphenated to dashed forms. Will take care of the histmerges. Ucucha 01:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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German-Slovak relations → Germany–Slovakia relations —

• And a long list of similar pages. Transferred from the uncontroversials by Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Albanian–Greek relations → Albania–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greco-Bulgarian relations → Bulgaria–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Algerian-Greek relations → Algeria–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Armenian-Greek relations → Armenia–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Australian-Greek relations → Australia–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Austrian-Greek relations → Austria–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Azerbaijani-Greek relations → Azerbaijan–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Belgian-Greek relations → Belgium–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greco-Brazilian relations → Brazil–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Canadian-Greek relations → Canada–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Chilean-Greek relations → Chile–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Chinese-Greek relations → People's Republic of China – Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Danish-Greek relations → Denmark–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Estonian-Greek relations → Estonia–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Ethiopian-Greek relations → Ethiopia–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Finnish-Greek relations → Finland–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Georgian-Greek relations → Georgia–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• German-Greek relations → Germany–Greece relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Hungarian relations → Greece–Hungary relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Indian relations → Greece–India relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Latvian relations → Greece–Latvia relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Lithuanian relations → Greece–Lithuania relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Polish relations → Greece–Poland relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Spanish relations → Greece–Spain relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Swedish relations → Greece–Sweden relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Ukrainian relations → Greece–Ukraine relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Jordanian relations → Greece–Jordan relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Kenyan relations → Greece–Kenya relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Lebanese relations → Greece–Lebanon relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Moldovan relations → Greece–Moldova relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Dutch-Greek relations → Greece–Netherlands relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greco-Romanian relations → Greece–Romania relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Greek-Tunisian relations → Greece–Tunisia relations (move) — Per other bilateral relations pages, WP:DASH —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

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• I strongly object to all the moves above that involve bilateral relations pages moved from an adjective-adjective compound form to a noun-noun compound form. These cases have been controversial for years, and there is explicitly "no consensus" [1] about which version is preferable. Mass moves in this domain are disruptive; trying to steamroll all articles into one preferred naming scheme has not worked for years, and will not work. No opinion about the preference for a hyphen or an en-dash. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

To add: the latest community discussion on this issue, which ended in "no consensus", was here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject International relations/Archive 3#RfC: Bilateral relations article name. Applicable policy is WP:COMMONNAME: "the most common English-language name [...] [or] a concise, recognizable and neutral description [...] we follow the usage of reliable sources." This demands determining the most common expression used in good English writing for each individual case. In the case of Germany/Slovakia, "German-Slovak relations" (no matter whether with hyphen or dash) has 673 google hits; "Germany-Sovakia relations" has zero (if you discount Wikipedia mirrors and incidental juxtaposition outside running text). Similar situations can be found for other country pairs, see further examples at the link above. For countries where simple adjectives exist, the noun-noun alternatives are so vanishingly rare in good English use as to be effectively ungrammatical. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Move Please see WP:DASH. Whatever the name of the article, the use of a hyphen is inappropriate. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

1. WP:DASH prescribes neither form of dash for the adjectival compounds. It doesn't mention them at all.
2. Stop using that dash red herring in order to push for the nominal forms. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose No significant argument for changing from adjective to noun form has been presented and FWIW I like the adjective versions; no prejudice against a different RM to only change the dashes/hyphens. --Cybercobra (talk) 00:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. While nouns can certainly be used as adjectives (although these particular cases sound a bit awkward), why do it when the adjectives are available, willing, and in common usage? — AjaxSmack 02:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

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• Note to admins: several of the pages above are in need not of a page move but of a history merge, especially several of the Greek ones. The original pages (whose history is currently at the "N–N" style) were merged and redirected to Foreign relations of Greece last year, and then somebody re-created them in December by copy/paste at the "Adj-Adj" location where they now are. The editor who created most of those, Hdelcourt78 (talk · contribs), may be a sock of the earlier Groubani (talk · contribs) aka Plumoyr (talk · contribs), who showed similar behaviour. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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• If so, we better get all relevant copy-and-pastes histmerged first and then see about the page moves. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

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