Talk:George Harrison Barbour

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Michigan Stove Company
• Jeremiah Dwyer
• World's Largest Stove
• George Harrison Barbour
• William J. Keep

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World's Largest Stove

• ... that the Michigan Stove Company, started by Jeremiah Dwyer, made the World's Largest Stove (pictured) weighing 15-tons that was conceived by George Harrison Barbour and designed by William J. Keep?

Source 1 -...the Michigan Stove Company, founded by Jeremiah Dwyer in 1872, decided to build a "Mammoth Garland" stove...

Source 2 -...credits George Barbour...with the idea for the stove ...it stands 25 feet high, is 30 feet long 20 feet high, weighs 15 tons.

Source 3 - ...William J. Keep designed the huge stove...

Source 4 - ...Michigan Stove Company, the company responsible for building the "World's Largest Stove."

• ALT1:... that the Michigan Stove Company, started by Jeremiah Dwyer, made the World's Largest Stove (pictured) that was conceived by George H. Barbour and designed by William J. Keep weighted 15-tons?

Sources same as above

• ALT2:... that the Michigan Stove Company, started by Jeremiah Dwyer, made the World's Largest Stove (pictured) that was conceived by George H. Barbour and designed by William J. Keep weighting 15-ton?

Sources same as above

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Reinhold Fritz AND Template:Did you know nominations/Tuarii AND Template:Did you know nominations/Fred Evans (boxer) AND Template:Did you know nominations/Quarry Moor, Orobanche reticulata (2 articles)
• Comment: 5 in 1 DYK nomination - 5 QPQs have been done

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 12:11, 7 January 2020 (UTC).

• @Doug Coldwell: I'll review all five of these. Due to the number of nominations, I will not be using the reviewer template. Instead I will note each criteria for all of the articles.

• All are new enough
• All are long enough
• All are sourced
• All are neutral
• No copyright violations found
• No other problems, though you may want to look into adding some wikilinks.
• All of the hooks need minor grammatical improvement. I suggest these:

• ALT3:... that the Michigan Stove Company, started by Jeremiah Dwyer, made the World's Largest Stove (pictured), which weighed 15 tons and was conceived by George H. Barbour and designed by William J. Keep?
• ALT4:... that the Michigan Stove Company, started by Jeremiah Dwyer, made the 15-ton World's Largest Stove (pictured), which was conceived by George H. Barbour and designed by William J. Keep?

• Hook sourcing is fine.
• QPQs have been done
• Image is clear and free. However, it is only used on the World's Largest Stove article. @Doug Coldwell: I wonder if you can add this image to the other pages as well, just to be safe. epicgenius (talk) 20:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• @Epicgenius:  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:10, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
• Just the question about the hook, and this will be good to go. epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Epicgenius: Great improvements on ALT3 and ALT4 which I prefer. I would rather go with either one of these and scratch my original hook and ALT1 and ALT2 I submitted.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Doug Coldwell: Great! Then ALT3/ALT4 are good to go. epicgenius (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment to Promoter - Could this be put into the #1 slot position with the picture. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:George Harrison Barbour/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 00:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

1. Prose ✓ Pass

2. Verifiability ✓ Pass

3. Depth of Coverage ✓ Pass

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass - caption

7. Miscellaneous ✓ Pass

Comments

1.

• Anything you can add to the lead to make it a couple sentences longer? Would it be appropriate to mention that he got his start with the general store?

 Done - expanded lead. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• The other name in the infobox isn't necessary, nothing's spelled different and abbreviating the middle name is common enough for most people that it's not a notable other name.

 Done - removed this extra name.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:03, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Jane, his wife, is the first white" - I think this should be in past tense, since it's referring to an event in the past.

 Done "is" --> "was" --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• Back-to-back sentences in the early life section start with "His", can this be varied some?

 Done - corrected accordingly.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:24, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• See MOS:NUMERALS, numbers between one and nine should be spelled this (the 4 in the infobox is fine). Check the rest of the article, though.

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:26, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• Mid life is a bit non-standard for a heading in a biography. Since all of the content is about the Michigan Stove Company, I'd recommend renaming the section to Michigan Stove Company.

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:33, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• "and chairman of the board a couple of years after that." - Probably better to give the exact year or to say two years later. "a couple of" is a tad colloquial for encyclopedic tone (I've had similar phrases in my GA candidates called out for that), and anymore isn't always used as the exact meaning of two.

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• "He organized the Michigan Copper & Brass Company in 1907;[7] He was its president " - Either replace the semicolon with a period or the second he should be lowercase.

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• "He was its president until 1914 and sold his company shares" - The meaning of "and sold his company shares" is unclear. Are you trying to indicate that he sold his shares in 1914 when he stepped down as president?

 Done - reworded accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• "Barbour was also president of the Ireland & Mathews Manufacturing Company, the vice president of the Dime Savings Bank and First National Bank." - Grammar's a tad rough in this sentence. If the intended meaning was that he was president of I & M and was vice president of the two banks, replace the comma with "and". As of right now, the later half is a clause to nowhere.

 Done - fixed accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:05, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• "He was sick from pneumonia a week before he died" --> "He was sick from pneumonia for a week before he died", the other wording can have the implication that the pneumonia simply occurred a week before he died and didn't contribute to the passing.

 Done - corrected accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

• In the infobox you state that Barbour died in Detroit, wouldn't it be more accurate to state Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan?

 Done - corrected accordingly.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

2.

• "and chairman of the board a couple of years after that." - Citation needed, not supported by the next cited source.

 Done - news clip reference furnished for 1921.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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• Caption of the stove - Can you add where the stove is currently displayed?

 Done caption = destroyed by lightning. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

7.

Placing on hold, that's it for the first pass through. Hog Farm (talk) 02:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Doug Coldwell: - Everything addressed, passing. Hog Farm (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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