Talk:GENUKI

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The use of the term "British Isles" in the context of this article isn't appropriate. The term itself is seen as contentious, and the general consensus is that the term should only be used in a geographical context (generally and for example, highest mountain in British Isles, climate of the British Isles, distribution of fauna, sea patrols of U-Boats, etc). Historically, it is agreed that the term has had different meanings. Since this article is referring to genealogy, I think it is appropriate to use geopolitical terminology, as is appropriate for historical and political articles. Therefore, the term "British Islands" is the correct term for the UK and crown dependencies. --Bardcom (talk) 18:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Disagree. The term British Isles is standard terminology in the genealogical world. It is suitable in this article. 86.27.107.230 (talk) 18:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Without references, this is unsupported. Also, a simple google search for "genealogy" and "united kingdom" results in 10 times more hits than "genealogy" and "british isles". --Bardcom (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Er, you made this change without discussing it. And you've had a go at it before, a while ago, without discussing it. Your argument is flawed. What's a google search got to do with it. I can assure you that British Isles is a standard term in genealogical circles.86.27.107.230 (talk) 19:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It's pointless stating that "British Isles" is a standard term in genealogical circles without providing references to back up your claim. The google search is merely a crude way to show that the terms are not obviously standard as you claim. Also, for an anon IP address, you appear to have good knowledge of the workings of wikipedia. Do you edit under your own login name, and if so, could you please log in to continue this discussion. Furthermore, this article is about GENUKI - which is short for UK and Ireland (and not British Isles). --Bardcom (talk) 19:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Look, if I choose to edit as an IP that's my business. there's nothing against it. What do you want references for precisely, that Genuki deals with the British Isles, which it patently does! What is the problem with it. I see that you think it's controversial, well it's the first I've heard of it, and I'll remind yoou that you've now reverted this edit three times, so if you do it again today I'll report it as a 3RR. 86.27.107.230 (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure it is, unless you are using an anon IP address to deliberately "game" the system (which it looks like you may be doing). I've reverted your edit - your assertion that I reverted 3 times is incorrect. But you have - do not revert again. At least, try to engage in a conversation here, and provide the references that have been requested. --Bardcom (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

"British isles" is the phrase GENUKI uses on its introductory page: "The UK and Ireland are regarded, for the purposes of this Genealogical Information Service, as being made up of England, Ireland (i.e. Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland), Wales, and Scotland, together with the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. Together, these constitute the British Isles ". It's a familiar phrase, comprehensible by genealogists from anywhere in the world who may be researching their ancestors from these islands but may never have heard of the British islands (a name I'm not familiar with, as one born and bred on the said islands). Have reverted to the original version. Please note that your initial edit today removed factual material from the description - there is stuff in GENUKI which is common to the whole area, as well as stuff on each of the smaller units, but your initial edit swept this aside as well as removing what I consider to be helpful references to examples. PamD (talk) 21:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I guess since GENUKI is the primary source, a quote such as the one you've just used is difficult to argue against (even if its incorrect or whatever), and that is the reason I accept the edit. Thank you for providing it and for taking the time to explain your thoughts. --Bardcom (talk) 09:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Previously, we agreed to use the phrase "British Isles" because the website specifically used the term and stated "INFORMATION RELATED TO ALL OF THE BRITISH ISLES". The website appears to have updated and now used the heading "INFORMATION RELATED TO ALL OF THE UNITED KINGDOM AND IRELAND" here. Accordingly, I've now changed this article to agree with the website, as per the agreement reached above on following the primary source. --HighKing (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

It says "The UK and Ireland are regarded, for the purposes of this Genealogical Information Service, as being made up of England, Ireland (i.e. Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland), Wales, and Scotland, together with the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man." - so when the site says Ireland and the United Kingdom, it means British Isles. EmpireForever (talk) 14:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Have reverted the article back to Bardcom/HighKing's version, on re-reading this talk page and looking at GENUKI... but I think it needs a comment which I've added. I hope we can agree on this now. PamD (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The source says it is all the British Isles, and uses the term. Please do not buckle under Bardcom's relentless campaign. EmpireForever (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent)I've slightly reformatted to make it easier to follow. I've also added the direct quote from the GENUKI website cos it does a good job explaining what it means when it uses the term UK&I to mean British Isles. --HighKing (talk) 15:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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