Talk:Frame (nautical)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Chamal ^T•C 16:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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Frame (nautical) → Ship frame – per Bed frame, Bicycle frame, Locomotive frame, Motorcycle frame, Picture frame, Space frame, Vehicle frame, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vehicle_frame&diff=550736604 and discussion at Talk:Motorcycle frame#Requested move. 92.40.182.182 (talk) 15:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Note. Discussion moved from Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests due to objection. Steel1943 (talk) 04:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

• Object to speedy rename. Why are you doing this when other similar move requests you've filed have required discussion? Can't you file a normal move request when you know the moves you've been requesting have been in different directions and have had objections? -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 00:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
  • The above entered at wp:rm after the proposed technical request had already been contested. Apteva (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. The words "bicycle frame", "motorcycle frame", "picture frame" and even "vehicle frame" are very commonly used as a unit to refer to that item. When it comes to a ship's frame, though, frame is more commonly used separately from "ship frame". A ship has a hull, and often transverse frames, but not often a frame that is solely called a "ship frame". Hint: Ship frame is a red link. Apteva (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Per the discussion at Talk:Frame (beehive)#Move?, WP:NATURAL unequivocally states that Frame (nautical) is wrong. It says:

1. Natural disambiguation: If it exists, choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. - 'Frame' is preferred-but-ambiguous, 'Ship frame' or 'Ship's frame' are alternative names that the subject is also commonly called in English.

2. Parenthetical disambiguation: If natural disambiguation is not possible, add a disambiguating term in parentheses, after the ambiguous name. - which would be 'Frame (nautical)' but only if natural disambiguation ('Ship frame' / 'Ship's frame') were not possible. 188.29.25.115 (talk) 13:27, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per Apteva's "frame of mind". Green Giant (talk) 19:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose: While WP:NATURAL states naturally disambiguated names are preferred over parenthetical names where possible, it also advises against making up names that do not exist in most reliable secondary sources by contorting name elements into a neoteric phrase. Admittedly, I do not have previous knowledge of reliable secondary sources on this topic, but my searches for secondary sources on the topic have turned up far more results for ship+frame -"ship frame" than for "ship frame". This appears to fall into the exception of WP:NATURAL, like the case of Helmet (heraldry), where nearly all reliable secondary sources on heraldry discuss helmets, specifically in their application as an element of heraldic achievement, but almost NONE of them ever use the phrase "heraldic helmet" (that phrase appears in only 15 sources out of over 4,500), so an article titled heraldic helmet would be a neoterism in defiance of WP:COMMONNAME. That appears to be the case for this article as well. Wilhelm Meis (☎ Diskuss | ✍ Beiträge) 16:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Numbers

Article states: they begin at 1 with the first bow frame. My OR shows, that most of modern ships have frame 0 on aft perpendicular and numbers increase towards bow. Ciacho5 (talk) 10:35, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Never in my life seen a GA/drawing with frames numbered the way described in this article. Aft PP = Frame 0. Frames aft of rudder stock is negative and going forward is positive and given raising numbers going towards the bow. Article is plain wrong and should be corrected. 80.216.59.11 (talk) 12:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)