Talk:Ferdinand VI

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Requested move 22 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. I took a second look at this after being questioned on my talk page. Reading what WP:NCROY actually says, none of the Oppose votes are actually based in policy, so the consensus is therefor to move, taking into account the consensus of Wikipedia as a whole as reflected in the policy. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Ferdinand VI of Spain → Ferdinand VI
• Ferdinand VII of Spain → Ferdinand VII

– There are no other monarchs with this combination of name and regnal number, so there is no need to disambiguate. Векочел (talk) 02:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 08:12, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Please, let's maintain keeping the country in the page title, so less familiar readers, will know immediately the country the monarch has reigned over. GoodDay (talk) 08:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Why don't we also put New Zealand in the title of article about Hugh Watt so that less familiar readers know which country Hugh Watt was prime minister of? Something like Hugh Watt, Prime Minister of New Zealand? Or Hugh Watt of New Zealand? Surtsicna (talk) 16:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom, in line with WP:SOVEREIGN and WP:CONCISE. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. I gather WP:NCROY was changed recently to promote the removal of the country from articles such as these, but I don't see that removal as an improvement or a benefit for our readers. Also, based on the outcomes of recent similar RMs (Christian, Edward, etc.), it's a change that doesn't seem to have broad consensus support, which I'd take that as an indication that the guidance in NCROY should be revisited before proposing more such moves. ╠╣uw [talk] 11:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Go on, give it a try. Surtsicna (talk) 16:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NCROY—blindlynx 13:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:NCROY says not to use country names where not necessary for disambiguation, blindlynx. Surtsicna (talk) 16:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize the policy changed. Either way it i don't see how moving away from having the country in the title is a benefit—blindlynx 16:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I agree with GoodDay. Dimadick (talk) 12:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't like this move just as much as most of the opposers. But unlike the other opposers, I understand that my personal opinion is irrelevant and that WP:SOVEREIGN and other policies and guidelines most, if not all, of which support this. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:26, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for reasons given in the most recent RM for Edward I of England. I know who Ferdinand V was. Or thought I did until I checked our page and learned that Ferdinand I of Austria was also Ferdinand V of Hungary. Oddly enough, I could not have correctly identified Ferdinand I of Austria. I would have assumed the archduke, later Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor. After all, see Ferdinand II of Austria. The point is that common name + numeral is not terribly recognizable without a country—and sometimes a title. Louis XIV is the exception to the rule (which is why I still favour Louis XIV of France). Srnec (talk) 16:34, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Loads of Ferdinands out there, this is not a household name distinct from other Ferdinands. "of Spain" is helpful to readers. Walrasiad (talk) 09:45, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Loads of Ferdinands, but only one Ferdinand VI. "Household name" argument does not hold water. Hugh Watt is not a household name either yet we do not call him Hugh Watt of New Zealand. Surtsicna (talk) 16:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per others - this is potentially ambiguous. SnowFire (talk) 21:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

What does "potentially ambiguous" mean, SnowFire? Who is the other Ferdinand VI? Surtsicna (talk) 16:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per opposers. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NCROY and WP:CONCISE. There is no other Ferdinand VI from whom this Ferdinand should be disambiguated. Ditto for Ferdinand VII. Also compare with the unambiguously named Spanish kings Felipe VI, Juan Carlos I, Alfonso XIII, Alfonso XII, all of whom have been moved to concise titles after a discussion and kept there after another. Surtsicna (talk) 16:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.