Talk:Ermedin Demirović

Alavés B apps and goals

• 2017-18

• Match 1 - 0-2 vs Santurtzi 16 Sep [1]
• Match 2 - 0-1 vs Santutxu 24 Sep [2]
• Match 3 - 2-3 vs Real Sociedad C 1 Oct (2 goals) [3]
• Match 4 - 1-1 vs Basconia 15 Oct [4]
• Match 5 - 1-2 vs Beasain 21 Oct [5]
• Match 6 - 0-1 vs Portugalete 29 Oct [6]
• Match 7 - 1-0 vs Lagun Onak 2 Nov (1 goal) [7]
• Match 8 - 2-0 vs Sodupe 5 Nov [8]
• Match 9 - 0-0 vs Zamudio 19 Nov [9]
• Match 10 - 0-0 vs Balmaseda 26 Nov [10]
• Match 11 - 2-1 vs Durango 16 Dec (2 goals) [11]
• Match 12 - 2-1 vs Sestao 21 Dec (1 goal) [12]
• Match 13 - 0-1 vs Santutxu 24 Sep [13]

How to check all matches: [14] and match vs Getxo (Siguetuliga didn't have the report)

"Unsourced" apps

Dear User:Oleola, if you want to I'll add references to all Alavés B games of the season for you to count on. That's what you want? If it's not, then stop reverting people because "you think so" and work correctly among the community. I was the one adding the stats because I checked all match reports from the team and counted how many times Demirovic was playing for Alavés B in those reports. If you want to check, I recommend you go to deportivoalaves.com and count those stats as well. Do not revert people if you don't know what's right or wrong.

Thank you. MYS77 ^✉ 13:35, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:BURDEN you should provide an inline citation for any content you're adding. And please stop calling me a prick[15], because it's not a first time when you use personal attacks, when you failed to simply follow Wikipedia rules to add inline citations for your edits, which is required per Wikipedia:Verifiability. And finally I was reverting a sockpuppet who is is evading his block I can revert all his actions per Wikipedia policy.--Oleola (talk) 13:54, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Oleola: You're also failing to notify me about this conversation, simple and easy rules missed by you. Anyway, there's no point in adding all match reports to prove stats, go there and count them. Aside from reverting my work from nearly an hour to update these stats properly, you're also going in the reverse way of actively contributing, you're destroying some work there. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 14:03, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with this notify thing I never used it, so stop being rude. Funny thing you insult me over over, but when it comes to simply add a references into the article you are not so snappy. Comment on content, not on the contributor: Wikipedia:No personal attacks. You should provide inline citations for these Alaves B stats. And if you now changing aps for U17 and U19, you must provide an inline citation for this stats. Current one does not confirm it--Oleola (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Oleola: If you want to comment over content then stop being whiny and saying that I "personally attacked you". I don't even know you. This is my way of talking. You want me to reword it? Fine. There you go: " if you don't have sources, then WP:AGF and stop fighting for a content you don't really know about. Thank you."

Better now? Anyways, again, if you don't have sources to prove the stats are wrong, show some respect for other users' work (who actually spent some time counting his stats in the match reports). If it were you adding those stats after one damn hour of research just for some guy who doesn't have and doesn't know them revert you blindly, you wouldn't be very happy either. MYS77 ^✉ 14:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Again per WP:BURDEN you must prove it, by adding inline citations, not me. This stats could be proper and could not. Since we don't have a sources in the article we can't verify this, so it's against WP:VER. The same goes for this stats from Transfermarkt, that you're constantly adding in other articles. They could be correct but also could be wrong, as this website is known for having thousands false youth national teams stats in players profiles. So what is the point of spreading such unproved stats on Wikipedia. And I don't think you verified this Transfermarkt stats you added into many articles. You want to be trusted, but you proved in the past, that you don't care about the correctness of information and sourcing like in Kiko Ramírez. And your wrong info about Ramirez spread over other language Wikipedias, online media and Internet. This is the real harm users like are doing by adding unsourced content, using weak sources that, not completely and directly confirming information and copying unreliable data from Transfermarkt.--Oleola (talk) 15:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

• Alavés B apps (another source to prove it): [16] "En total, lleva seis y es el máximo goleador del Alavés B" ("In total, he has six and is the top goalscorer of Alavés B"). Now we will have to wait to properly update it, thank you for that my mate :) MYS77 ^✉ 14:41, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

This source does not prove apps, it only proves goals. If you want add apps you must prove it by adding inline citation for apps which is required by one of Wikipedia 3 core policies Wikipedia:Verifiability. Certainly it will exclude such situations like this when you recently personal attacked other editor (who is right arguing that stats are unsourced) by calling him "fucking dumb"[17]. The second core Wikipedia policy is Wikipedia:No original research, familiarize yourself with it, because original research is this what you want to do on Wikipedia.--Oleola (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

It is not an original research. I'm simply using a quick Google search and combining it to this website to count his appearances. That's all. MYS77 ^✉ 03:17, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

• His official Instagram account says that he was born in Hamburg (Deportivo Alaves | BiH National Team Ermedin Hamburg | Vitoria Gasteiz) - yes, we can assume that because it's a "standard" way of footballers telling where they were born and where they live now. MYS77 ^✉ 14:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

That's a perfect example of a weak source I'm talking about above. Word "Hamburg" on his Instagram profile does not necessarily mean that he was born in Hamburg. He could raised there and is somehow connected to this city or has any other reasons to name this city on his profile. Such wishful source can't be used to overrule the existing source -bdfutbol, which directly points Sarajevo as his city of birth.--Oleola (talk) 15:46, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Oleola: BDFutbol can be wrong and often links to something that they're thinking it's correct. Is not 100% reliable when it comes to birthplaces. There were some cases that we referenced the correct birthplace (coming from an interview with the player or from an article) and it was not in accordance to what BDFutbol was pointing out. However, you, not used to edit in Spanish football, neither used to actually access BDFutbol, nor edit in football in general. I'm now seeing that you're WP:HOUNDing me and I will open a report on you. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 21:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

You was the one who added Sarajevo as Demirović place of birth month ago[18], and today you're suddenly saying that this is not correct, and corrent is Hamburg for which you don't have any reliable source. Weird.--Oleola (talk) 22:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Mate, I'm trying to gather information instead of doing unnecessary or pointless reverts. Don't you see? Your own shortcomings stopped the attempt of improvement in this very own page. Instead of talking, you are just blindly reverting everyone who goes against your limited ideas. Open your mind, go after some sources and then we talk again. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 02:57, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Transfer fee sources

Dear @Robby.is.on, I used Bosnian sports portal because they have more reliable information about height of transfer fee, and they all agree it was in the region of €4 million, 3.7 to be exact. Still, it is not clear to me why would you use three sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.39.136 (talk) 11:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the discussion.

What exactly makes a Bosnian sports portal "more reliable" than the other three sources?

Kicker says €3.7 million, Sportbuzzer cites Transfermarkt for "about €4 million plus 1.5 million in bonuses", Marca also has "close to €4 million", mentions bonuses but also a sell-on clause. "€3.7 million" is more exact than "about €4 million" but based on these reports we can't know for sure whether that is the correct number. So it seems prudent to me to reflect what the sources can agree on – a transfer fee of about €4 million – while indicating that there are multiple sources with differing information. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 12:03, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, since he is Bosnian, I think our sports sources provide better information, since they are known to contact either the player or his family members about such things. I took other sources in regard while writing that phrase "in the region of €4 million", so I hope we can agree on it? Friendly regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.39.136 (talk) 13:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

That's possible but not necessarily so. Demirović was born and raised in Germany so it's reasonable to assume that's where his family lives.

Convince me how "in the region of" is better than "about" and I'll be happy to change the wording. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 13:45, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Bosnian diaspora is something you wouldn't believe. Anyway, it is my opinion that you don't need three sources, that's all. And also in my opinion, phrase "in the region of" is better and more accurate than "about". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.39.64 (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry, I do believe that. :-) I just think it's a stretch to assume the Bosnian news portal's transfer fee estimate is based on family sources when the article does not mention anything of the sort.

Why is "in the region of" more accurate? Is there a difference in meaning compared to "about"? Robby.is.on (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I only mentioned that about Bosnian media contacting family members because I know it happens, it's not my only argument. In a transfer regarding Bosnian player, I think that our sports sources have more accurate informations, that's all. "In the region of" sounds more fancy than "about", but I am not too much hung up on it, we can leave your version. I would only like to have Bosnian sources instead of Spanish and German, so if you let my try something, I would appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.39.40 (talk) 14:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)