Talk:Edmund Veesenmayer

Veesenmayer / Vesenmeyer / Vessenmayer

So what was the guy's real name? I see at least three different spellings in the article. Rsmelt (talk) 01:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

needs more info

Hello. This is an important subject on the Holocaust, and definitely needs some filling in. He was responsible for the deaths of far more than 300,000, since over 400,000 Jews were deported from Hungary to Auschwitz, with the help of Hungarian officials, and because at least 25,000 Croatian Jews lost their lives within Yugoslav death camps including Jasenovac.74.239.209.92 (talk) 07:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

One category of the "more info" should be Veesenmayer's involvement with the card punching machines that helped find the Jews, schedule their trains, and then count up their deaths. He figures prominently in the book "IBM and the Holocaust". Most of the war crimes and crimes against humanity mentioned in the article are included in the book, but as background. The primary focus is actually on his extensive involvement in the negotiations with Dehomag and IBM. The Nazis wanted IBM to sell out, but Watson, Sr, wanted to keep ownership--but without knowing too many details about what the machines were being used for. Veesenmayer was eventually one of the executives who was in control of Dohomag as the war ramped up, though the negotiations covered in the book were mostly before the US entered the war. (Meanwhile, Wikipedia is begging me for money while supporting spammers. Guess why I stopped editing articles? And yes, I've suggested alternative funding approaches. Only result is that I sometimes used to feel a bit guilty when I visited Wikipedia, but now I don't care. But I'm still annoyed whenever an article is as poorly written as this one.) Shanen (talk) 04:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

June 2020 edits

Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "best known as a criminal". --K.e.coffman (talk) 05:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I think it is a fine balance, he was also known for his diplomatic/skullduggery activities that preceded his involvement in the Holocaust in Hungary, including the establishment of the Slovak State, creating ructions in the Free City of Danzig and the Irish Free State, establishing the NDH and installing a puppet regime in the German-occupied territory of Serbia, but I think a final decision about what infobox is appropriate can only be made after the article has been fully developed. Happy to leave it this way for now. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Ridiculous

Anyone with a fraction of a brain and who is not Nazi-obsessed would be able to see that this fellow was a very minor operative all round just by the simple fact that he was lucky to serve a couple of years in jail. The ludicrous figures for Hungarian Jews are not substantiated by books of the pre-war period, such as the Encyclopaedia Britannica which clearly states the absolute total number of Jews living in Hungary at the end of 1937 was 440,000. Many thousands subsequently emigrated and this too is recorded, even by the communists. To suggest that the Reichsbahn could have provided 95 very large trains for Jews in 1944 at a crucial stage in the war is too ridiculous and cannot be located in Reichsbahn records. These stories and 'telegrams' are simply fabrications. Lastly, there is no evidence that he was involved in Czechoslovakia and God knows there are mountains of diplomatic records alone on this. Also, given that Poland was the prime mover in agitation against Danzig from 1919-1939. it is madness to suggest that this fellow was sent to Danzig - for what appears to be a very short time - to wind matters up. None of the prime authorities on Danzig in this period, such as Mason, and Kimmisch, mention him at all and both rely upon original source materials. Wikipedia's fanatical crusades need to stick to absolutely verifiable facts. At present your sources are ludicrously bad. 2A00:23C4:B617:7D01:F010:8FB3:80BA:9297 (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@2A00:23C4:B617:7D01:F010:8FB3:80BA:9297 Per Hungary's 1941 census, the Jewish population, including its annexed territories, was abt 850,000. Per Holocaust expert Ronald Braham, Auschwitz Museum Director Danuta Czech and extant records and letters from Eichmann, László Ferenczy (of Hungarian police "central dejewification unit"), and Veesenmayer himself, 430,000+ Jews were sent to Auschwitz in May-July 1944 alone, over 80% of whom were killed on arrival. In total, over 600,000 Hungarian Jews died in the Holocaust, which essentially wiped out the country's entire Jewish population that existed outside of Budapest. Veesenmayer's estimate of 900,000 deportated Jews would have been accurate had they resumed as he expected but that never happened, sparing most of Budapest's Jews. As the top Nazi diplomat in occupied Hungary, Veesenmayer not worked behind the scenes to ensure the deportations occurred, his surviving reports to officials in Germany are proof of his involvement.

There is ample evidence of this and only neo-Nazi's and Holocaust deniers dispute what has been established as fact for decades. Shana3980 (talk) 03:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)