Talk:Dir En Grey discography

Filth article

Could a knowledgable person please create an article for FILTH? 141.152.27.34 02:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Already done! - 24.176.1.18

EDITING - Rules and Standards

The color coding for releases are as follows

• Albums = orange
• Mini-albms = salmon
• Singles = yellow
• DVDs = lightblue
• VHS = DarkKhaki
• Others (i.e. KAI) = LimeGreen

All song titles should be labelled as follows

1. KANJI TITLE (ENGLISH TITLE IN CAPS (unless specified differently by Official Site)) - Min:Sec (Words: LYRICICST / Music: COMPOSER)
   • Additional information

Feel free to add more rules and standards User:notjake13 06:19, 13 June 2006 (JST)

Recent and future edits

Hello everyone,

After I have made quite a few changes for this and related articles over the past few days, I'd like to give you a comprehensive list of them.

This page:

• The two-column tables have been either removed (see When tables are inappropriate) or replaced by galleries, with the album cover gallery on the Dir en grey main article being removed.
• Release titles are now given in the roman alphabet only, some of the longer ones have been shortened, both for the sake of readability.
• Fan club-only releases are not listed if they are supplemental to regular ones. But they are still described in the articles of the respective regular releases (see TOUR 00>>01 MACABRE)
• The disctinction between VHS and DVD has been replaced with one between music video collections and live releases, as many items where released on both formats.

Related pages:

• The remix album and the videography have been added to the template, again only giving the brief versions of release names. The template itself has been added to all related articles.
• Album tracklists have been put into tables to make them more readable.
• Songwriting credits are not given for releases without original work (i.e. live DVDs).
• There are three chronologies now, one for albums, EPs and the remix album, one for singles, one for video releases (again, they employ only simple release names).
• Most references to "major" and "indie" releases had been removed as there appears to be some general confusion regarding this matter (seeing that quite a few items were mentioned to have been released through a major label, while they are clearly credited with Free-Will Co. Ltd.).
• "J-Rock" has been replaced with "Japanese rock" in accordance with the genre article and a recent discussion on this matter.
• Recording studio information has been added as far as I could gather it from actual booklets.
• Cover scans for several releases have been added (some of them re-added, as they had been deleted due to faulty licensing information).

That should be about all, feel free to point out anything I might have forgotten to mention. As of now, there is still some work to do. Many cover scans are still missing, so if you can provide them, please do so. But please, don't forget to add the album/DVD licensing template and a summary that might go like this:

== Summary ==
Cover of the [[Dir en grey]] album ''[[DRAIN AWAY]]''.

== Licensing ==
© 2003 FIREWALL DIV.
{{WikiProject Discographiescover}}

It would also be useful to have different colors for music video and live video releases. Any suggestions? In any case, the names of the individual articles are quite a mixed up mess and a unified naming scheme for them is the next thing I'd like to tackle. While many of these articles follow a pattern that includes Japanese characters in the article name itself, like

TAIYOU NO AO (太陽の碧)
TAIYOU NO AO (太陽の碧) is the tenth single...

while the common Wikipedia treatment would be something like

TAIYOU NO AO
TAIYOU NO AO (太陽の碧) is the tenth single...

Any help with that would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

- Cyrus XIII, 17:12, September 17th 2006 (CET)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. --Dijxtra 16:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Three moves still pending

In order to have all related articles comply with the Wikipedia naming conventions (WP:NC(UE)), those with Japanese characters in their names have been moved to fully Latin handles, save for three which, for some reason, seem to require administrator assistance (namely the ones for kisou, -ZAN- and -saku-). I have put in a move request on the Requested moves page and while this should be an uncontroversial effort, procedure calls for a discussion area. - Cyrus XIII, 16:43, 19 September 2006 (CET)

Survey

• Support per nom. Peter O. (Talk) 05:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Capitalization

I have edited the title of "The Marrow of a Bone" to "THE MARROW OF A BONE", in accordance with Dir en grey's official home page. If any proof comes up that it is infact not all capitalized, please change it back. --Steven 17:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you do some reading regarding capitalization on Wikipedia first (WP:MOSCL, WP:MOSTM and WP:ALBUMS) or drop by the the Withering to Death. talk page for a similar discussion. Also let me add that some of your Dir en grey related edits today lacked elegance, to put it politely (such as the initial placement of your discussion entry here or your edit to the WtD. article). Please be a little more considerate in the future and given your contribs history, kindly refrain from using Wikipedia to advertise your web site. - Cyrus XIII 21:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Those policies state that exceptions are allowed to be made in cases like this. - Die's biggest fan 9:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

What cases and passages of those policies are you referring to specifically? - Cyrus XIII 16:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Comma

In the line for Kai, it displays like this:

• Kai (改, -Kai-, August 22, 2001)

but should that comma after 改 be present? Shouldn't it instead be:

• Kai (改 -Kai-, August 22, 2001)

Input? --Jacob 00:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

You're right. - Cyrus XIII 08:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

Here's a quick assessment of the list from WP:DISCOG. In general, check out MOS:DISCOG for some clearer explanations of style, as well as a couple of good examples.

• The lead is a little short.
• Also related to the lead, the first table is getting squished by the infobox. Hopefully expanding the lead will push the first table down far enough to clear it, but if not add __TOC__ {{clr}} in between the lead and first table.
• The release dates should include year.
• The dashes used should be the long dash (—) not the medium dash (–).
• The US Heat. and US Ind. columns need dashes.
• The charts column in Extended plays isn't needed, since the one EP didn't chart.
• Same thing with JP alb. column in the album table.
• Some of the releases mention multiple labels: only the original label is required.
• The double column header in the Singles isn't needed either. Just have header that says "JP Sing. Peak" or something like that.
• Most discographies abbreviated Japan as "JPN", since three letters is preferable to two.
• Try using rowspan="x" in the singles columns. Take a look at the singles examples at MOS:DISCOG to see how to code that.
• Also per MOS:DISCOG labels and release dates aren't necessary for singles, only the title. So ideally every singles should only be one line.
• The Photo books section doesn't belong in a discograpy.
• I'd also recommend getting rid of the "Discography" section, and making all of the current subsections into full-blow sections.
• The compilations and home videos should ideally be in table format.

Hope this helps. Drewcifer (talk) 21:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Myaku

Myaku isn't part of Macabre it is part of Gauze. It was made before 2000 since it was played in their Osaka-jo hall concert which was before 2000. If we can please fix this, that would be great. Fukoma (talk) 18:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

So it was accidentally released on the wrong album? – Cyrus XIII ^(talk) 18:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. Maybe wikipedia is wrong? Macabre wasn't made when they did the Osaka-jo hall concert nor did any other singles from Macabre but Myaku were played. Fukoma (talk) 18:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

In Japan, singles are nearly always released before their respective albums. They are more of a teaser for an album, than just b-side appendixes. The song Myaku is also featured on the Macabre album, making it belong to Macabre. A single belongs to the album it is featured on, regardless of the date it was released. --Jacob ^Talk 19:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Music Videos

Could someone tell me why there is written in release-box that there is only 6 music videos? I mean, music video compilation Gauze -62045- alone contains 13. And I think there is also more live videos. The releases also include 6 compilations, but I can think of only two (or three, if Kai is included) compilation albums, Decade 1998-2002 and Decade 2003-2007. Or have I missed something? I'm very sorry if I did typos or grammar mistakes, I don't speak english as my native language.

The "music videos" section is not referring to individual music videos, but to the releases of music videos themselves. As far as compilations, "various artists" compilations are included as well ("Taste of Chaos" compilation, "Family Values" compilation, etc.). Hope this helps! --Jacob ^Talk 16:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the Music Video part is a bit confusing too. Maybe Music Video Compilations would work? Denaar (talk) 04:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

CDTV

The link to CDTV was listed as being the Oricon charts. CDTV appears to be a part of Tokyo Broadcasting System. Their site doesn't state how they compile their rankings, but they don't match the Oricon charts and don't claim to be Oricon. CDTV rankings have been used on a few other pages in Wikipedia, so they may have some merit. You can compare the second week of August here: http://www.tbs.co.jp/cdtv/cddb/countdown20080809-j.html to here: http://www.oricon.co.jp/search/result.php?kbn=js&types=rnk&year=2008&month=8&week=2&submit4.x=41&submit4.y=15 Since CDTV is searchable it will likely give you the correct weeks to go look at the Oricon chart for releases. Denaar (talk) 04:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You're right there! They aren't the Oricon charts. I was given these under false pretenses it seems, but I suppose these charts are still legitimate. In any case, if you can find an appropriate listing for the actual Oricon chart positions, those would be incredibly valuable for this page! Thanks for the heads up too! --Jacob ^Talk 05:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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