Talk:Deaths in May 2019

The reference for Sir Thomas Baird (14 May)is actually for his wife who died in 2009. What is the reference for Sir Thomas’s death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.148.8.99 (talk) 12:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2019

Request to change title to 'Deaths in May 2019'. Maxxoz (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Not done: Deaths in May 2019 already exists, it just redirects here until June. RudolfRed (talk) 20:40, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Strong Oppose per previous requests and the rationale by RudolfRed. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Héctor Enrique Olivares

from User talk:CAWylie page

Hi! I saw that CAWylie put "shot" but he was shot on May 9, shouldn't the cause of death be "injuries sustained from gunshots"? Thanks. -- LLcentury (talk) 00:07, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

It could be argued that every fatal shooting was by "injuries sustained from gunshot" but we don't write that. Olivares just took longer to die, but he was nevertheless "shot". WWGB (talk) 05:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

A very vexing question

According to the "vexillologist" link for Frederick Brownell on May 10, the correct term is VEXILLOGRAPHER. Editrite! 203.196.41.161 (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

It’s hard to imagine that anyone could design s flag without first studying the art. So every vexillographer is probably also a vexillologist. But I won’t object if someone wants to change it. WWGB (talk) 01:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Not true. Anyone can "design" without studying the art. Just look at the variety of flag designs created during the American Revolution. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 02:31, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Just give me a crayon, a rectangle and a toddler. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:10, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I can see what happened here. The wrong link (in keeping with the Wikipedia "handle" Wrong Way Go Back!) has been used. THIS is the link that was really needed. Editrite! (talk) 21:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Grumpy Cat

..... is Grumpy Cat is Grumpy Cat. No-one in the wider world knows this cat as Tardar Sauce (which redirects to ... Grumpy Cat), and in the Deaths pages we always use the name the deceased was most commonly known by. Discuss. Ref ^(chew)(do) 16:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Agree with using common names, but the wider world (at least the half with Internet) does get Wikipedia upfront on Google, and we've been outing her secret identity for years. It's not on us if they forget to remember. At least we're clear about who's who in Tartar sauce (not so much in secret sauce). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Just because an identity has been "outed" doesn't mean that the public (both literate and illiterate) will follow along and 'use' it or even recognize it. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 02:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Can we please agree, that Nikki Lauda should be listed on main page instead of Grumpy Cat? Where is the Administrator? This should be fixed. LennBr (talk) 16:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

This is not a matter for this page - and Lauda's article is in pretty poor shape. See WP:ITNC Nohomersryan (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Ashley Massaro

Be careful trusting anything you hear from "Shelly Martinez", because she's apparently not Shelly Martinez. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

As for cause of death, the entry states "suicide" yet the cited reference never mentions a cause! As such, I think the "suicide" should either be removed or the correct suicide-reference cited. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that's precisely the kind of shit I'm talking about (thanks, AutoParts). Maybe a hidden note is in order explaining how there is no correct suicide reference. She's as likely to have died from anything at all (except apparent homicide), and it does nobody any good to imagine a fake Shelly Martinez as some kind of cyber banshee screaming potential spoilers at us. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:23, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Prepared to go with the hidden code warning about "Martinez" put into the entry source for Massaro this time, but let's not allow too many of them for other reasons (alpha warnings are good though). We do try to keep coding lean and mean where possible. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Ruled a suicide. — Wyliepedia @ 09:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Query about adding people who have no pages

While I have a lot of respect for the Indonesian people, who have apparently lost a senior police officer, is there a reason that someone added that to the list? I've tended to go by the thought that the listings have been culled directly from the pages (ie, if someone has a page, then someone adds the death (with reference, if for some reason someone hasn't added that yet). Is this incorrect? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.132.190.146 (talk • contribs) 00:02, May 17 2019 (UTC)

His own Indonesian article is a stub and he's not mentioned in either Wiki article about his police department. It's not looking hopeful. I'm fine with deleting him early. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:19, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

But yeah, your thought is generally incorrect. Humans without articles are allowed to be listed here for 30 days, just in case they'd been overlooked during life (see FAQ #2 at the top here). An obituary is a often a good overview of a person's accomplishments, but not everyone with an obituary has done something an encyclopedia should remember. Editors should consider an entry's chances at a future here, but there's no rule against listing willy-nilly. Every case has its own merits, and you were right to start a discussion on this one. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

The officer is clearly notable in his own country though, if not the wider world. As usual, we are giving thirty days for articled (bluelink) notability to be proven, or otherwise, based on just a sniff of notability as a redlink (wot InedibleHulk said). Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:09, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Notable mountaineers?

Herewith is a link from the New York Times concerning the deaths of eleven mountaineers, most of whom died after summiting Mount Everest last month. ONE of those, Kalpana Das(h) is listed here on May 23. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether any or all of the others are worth listing. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/world/asia/everest-deaths.html Editrite! (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

To establish some context, I think the timescale of the deaths is too broad to be counted as an "event" list. (An event should happen within a much narrower parameter, preferably at exactly the same time.) To be honest, there are no lessons being learned by the Nepalese authorities regarding controlling these climbs, so the death count is perpetuating because of their lack of action, not due to one catastrophic tragedy. Whether individual climbers are indeed notable very much depends on individual coverage of their careers on the internet, any individual biographies listed at notable websites, and the usual suchlike. There is certainly no reason to "lump them together" in some kind of death-by-climbing topic, let's at least establish that. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:38, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

That's what List of people who died climbing Mount Everest is for, which, by the way, has few wikilinks. — Wyliepedia @ 10:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

.....except THAT reason! Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:33, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Sir Thomas Baird (14th)

The reference for Sir Thomas Baird (14 May)is actually for his wife who died in 2009. What is the reference for Sir Thomas’s death?Sonofsphilip (talk) 12:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)