Talk:Dawn D. Bennett-Alexander

Comments on draft, moved from the draft

<< Moved from User talk:Vdolphinv/sandbox to get everything in one place >>

Most of these (sources on the sandbox page) look to be primary sources and inappropriate for biographies of living persons. Newspaper articles, though, are good if they are published by Reliable sources. I think all of the podcasts should be removed - perhaps there's a newspaper article or articles that summarize her podcast activity into a couple of sentences. (See Michelle Obama#Podcasts where newspaper articles provided content about her podcasts.) As far as guest columnist, these are not viable sources for a biography of a living person, because they are primary sources. Profiles are often considered primary sources because they are generally written by the subject or from a marketing angle.

It's probably best to search books, newspapers, and journals first - and ignore these for now. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

The ones that say something like "Featured subject" just need to be reframed. The point isn't that she's a featured person, it's that the article is about her and could be a source for content. David notMD (talk) 09:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC) –CaroleHenson (talk) 21:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

As an FYI, I asked a question about using UGA publications (e.g., Terry Magazine, Red & Black, UGA News) at WP:RSN#University publications for retired faculty member.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

The response is here. "Independent sources are usually preferred but that's probably okay for non-controversial claims".

From personal experience, particularly for Biographies of Living People, if there are more than one or two such sources, the article will get tagged. It's a real slippery slope.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I did use the article I mentioned that would be really helpful in Terry Magazine and that he/she said would be ok for non-controversial claims.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Progress and items to do

Hello,

Just to summarize the next steps for creating an article for Dawn D. Bennett-Alexander:

• I created the infobox
  • For notable works I just put in the book that gets press for being a college textbook
  • I didn't add the awards per {{Infobox academic}} statement that it should just be for <!--notable national-level awards only-->
  • Everything in the infobox has sources in the body of the article except spouses and partner. If we cannot find a reliable source, those should be removed
    • I found a source for Willie Alexander, which mentions their daughters, so I used that. I cannot find a source for her other relationships, but I saw that B-A wrote with Harrison and she had the Manglify surname for someone's thesis, but no relationship information. Hopefully they will come along.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

• Link to articles. I found one article to add a direct link. There are some other places where she could be added - a faculty list for a relevant university, there area also Category:Lists of African-American people worth checking out, and any other relevant articles. See H:WIKILINK. The more links there are, the more readers come to the page.
  • This would be a really good item for someone to do, if they'd like to increase the viewership of the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

• I plan on finding more specific information for the publications, like isbns, etc.
  •  Done for the books I could find.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
• I added a lot of categories, but I am sure I have probably missed some. You can look for categories here.
  • I think the categories are fine.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

• I have been finding sources from the links above + newspaper.com.

I hope this isn't overwhelming, I just hoped the progress would be much clearer if I spelled it out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Update re: isbns–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems like the best remaining sources of references are books (google books and archive.com) and newspaper.com. I used two sources from User:Vdolphinv/sandbox#See also and highlighted some potential non-UGA related sources. I am not sure that epochtimes is a reliable source, so I didn't highlight that one.

It would be interesting to see how much of the content in the sandbox could be added from these and other new sources. There's a lot more potential content in the sections at User:Vdolphinv/sandbox.

I think I pretty much used all the usable sources in the sandbox.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Clarify that I mean the sandbox, there's still books, newspaper articles, and google scholar - and other things in the "Find sources" above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I think this is a good start. I will come back for some copyediting (I do better after a day or so).–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

And, there's google scholar. The one's where she's an author or co-author could be added to publications. The ones that talk about her could be used for content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was pretty much closing out my work here (except editing what I have written) and I went ahead added some more content. I was feeling like something was missing. I love it when the sources tell the story - it's sublime in this case. Turning what is supposed to be a "just the facts ma'am" article with encyclopedic tone, into one that tells so much about her through Bennett-Alexander's approach to life, principles, and actions. I know I am going on a bit. It's my most satisfying article in some time. Lovely.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done copyediting.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Books I cannot find

I cannot find these books to get an ISBN on WorldCat, Amazon, or a google search.

• Federal Employment Rights, (editor) National Employee Rights Institute, 1999.

I see Robert W. Kolb as the editor for books published by Sage, October 2007 for the first edition (not November) and the 2nd edition - just one line item is needed

• Encyclopedia of Business Ethics and Society, SAGE Publications, entries: Comparable Worth, Employment Discrimination, Equal Opportunity, National Origin Discrimination, and Race Discrimination. November 2007.
• Encyclopedia of Business Ethics and Society 2nd edition, SAGE Publications, five entries:  Employment Discrimination, Equal Opportunity, National Origin Discrimination, Comparable Worth, and Race Discrimination.  May 2018.
  • Oh, this is about chapters. I see.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)  Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

• Contemporary Contracts E-text (2018), Great River Learning, publishers.

–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox - Early life and education

In the first paragraph:

• The first sentence could be worded as drafted in the sandbox, if you wish. I believe what is written in the sandbox is also covered in the cited sources ([1] and [9] presently).
• The only source I see for the "Dr. King’s “Dream” speech" information comes from a Red and Black, UGA article.
  • I added that to the article here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
• The Modern Strivers - what a really interesting article in Time magazine. I am not seeing, though, Bennett's name or the use of black instead of negro in the article. There is a lot of good information about black history, literature, etc. curriculum. Is there a source that ties Bennett to Freedom Annex or the Modern Strivers?
• I tried, but I couldn't find a high school book on ancestry.com for Eastern Senior High School in the late 1960s with a first name that starts with a "D" and last name "Bennett" (just Western and a president's name; sorry, I forgot who - Roosevelt?) to get info about her activities. Are there other sources for her high school experience?

For the last two paragraphs, are there sources for the content about her university and early career that aren't covered in the article now?–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox - Career

In the first paragraph, are there sources for "first African American female appointed under DC’s new Home Rule Act of 1973 to the highest court in DC, the DC Court of Appeals. The Honorable Julia Cooper Mack was the first African American female appointed to a court of last resort in the US." ?

 Done–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Are there sources for content for the rest of the Career section that would improve the article?

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons is a good guide about how to build a biographical encyclopedia article.

Based on the quality of the sandbox draft, if you would consider copyediting the article, it would greatly contribute to its polished tone and overall quality.–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Interesting items, are there sources for any of these?

• Bennett-Alexander went to work at the White House in the administration of President Gerald R. Ford, at the White House Domestic Council headed by James Cannon, as Assistant to the Associate Director and Counsel, Richard (Dick) Parsons. Among other issues, she worked on those involving gender, race, gun control, illegal drugs, immigration, the Equal Opportunity Coordinating Council, and consumer protection. Bennett-Alexander left the White House at the end of the Ford administration after the 1976 election of Jimmy Carter as the next president of the US.
• work in the US Federal Trade Commission’s Antitrust Division from October 1977 to December 1978
• National Farmworker Paralegal Training Program, a grant contract program, from October 1979 to January 1981 and litigated federal sector labor law appellate cases in the Solicitor’s Office of the Federal Labor Relations Authority(FLRA) from January 1981 to May 1982.
• moved to Florida in June of 1982. The course, which they named Employment Law, became one of the most popular courses in the college and spawned UNF Continuing Education’s one-day Employment Law seminar. Bennett-Alexander was the first Black professor to receive tenure in UNF’s College of Business.
• The ALSB is the professional organization for lawyers who teach law in colleges of business.
• Bennett-Alexander was invited to deliver a presentation on gender at Oxford University in Oxford, UK, and awarded a Fulbright Senior Scholar fellowship to conduct research on gender in the workplace in Ghana, west Africa. She lived in Ghana for ten months with her three daughters while teaching at the Ghana School of Law. She was also invited (and did so) to serve on the Fulbright Selection Committee for Sub-Saharan Africa for three years following the end of her Fulbright fellowship term.

• I got the part about the Fulbright fellowship here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

• Bennett-Alexander has fought against workplace and other discrimination and for DEIB issues in many ways, from marching in the streets to teaching about them, writing about them in legal textbooks, legal articles, newspaper columns, letters to the editor, letters to legislators and other leaders, consulting with leaders of all kinds about DEIB issues and serving as a constant resource for those in need of insight on the issues

There are other places where content is already in the article, but might be worded better in the draft... as long as new info isn't added that's not in the cited sources.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Most of this is discussed at a higher level, so if we don't get all the detail here, I think that's okay.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Summary

There's so much content above, here's a summary of what I came up with if someone would like to work on it:

• A newspaper article that summarizes the podcasts that B-A has done
• Additional drafted sandbox or new content from independent sources at Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL + newspaper.com
• Perhaps more use of UGA publications (e.g., Terry Magazine, Red & Black, UGA News, etc.) - what is "too many" is open for debate. I used a total of three articles from Terry Magazine, Red & Black, University of Georgia Magazine. See Wikipedia:Independent sources
• Publications that I couldn't find that have isbns, issns, or some other source
• Content from #Sandbox - Early life and education / User:Vdolphinv/sandbox that have sources
• Content from #Sandbox - Career / User:Vdolphinv/sandbox that have sources

I put the sections in this talk page based upon my experience, but I totally get that I am not the authority here (per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle). I was bold in pushing forward what I thought is best, but others may interpret guidelines and the need to follow guidelines differently than I do.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

One thing to consider is that the article has a "B" rating right now, which I think of as a good step to a "good article" rating. So it would be nice to not go backwards... and, leave the possibility of polishing a bit more for a GA class rating.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Even so, I greatly appreciate the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. I have thought that someone might come along and remove peripheral content and whatever is not very notable. I hope not, and I have tried to edit as well as I could with that in mind. Still. Who knows?–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)