Talk:David Gray (British musician)

Ingoldsby mention

Not being from the UK, I can't judge this, but is the mention of Pat Ingoldsby here significant? If so, can someone add a mention as to why? If not, can we please delete it. Thanks Jgm 14:18, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

If there is a point it is not clear to me. Seems to come via the Pat Ingoldsby page and this link. I suspect someone googled Ingoldsby and then added info gleaned from the results to wikipedia.

Also not explained is the "very wealthy" comment w.r.t. Sale. I remember Sale as being just another part of Manchester, certainly not "very wealthy" but more "ordinary". Now Alderly Edge would be a different thign entirely. What was the autor trying to say here: that DG was born with a silver spoon in his mouth? Calls for an edit by someone who has a clue. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Dead in the Water

I recall Dead in the Water from A New Day At Midnight being a single in some form - perhaps only promotional. Does anyone know anything else about this? --Greg K Nicholson 20:42:06, 2005-08-31 (UTC)

Not sure about the UK, possibly a promotional release. But Dead In The Water was definitely released as a single in the US, where it was a minor hit on the Billboard Hot 100. The record label felt the song was better tailored to the liking of American audiences than Be Mine, which was the equivalent commercial singles chart release in the UK {194.63.116.72 12:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)}

Sale

Being a former resident of Sale I can confirm that housing areas range from mansions to council estates. Wealthy people do live there but for the most part it is an ordinary suburban area. (Pally01 09:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC))

David is from Widnes. I do not understand why this keeps getting changed. He is a WIDNESIAN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:8F8E:9901:B509:F38C:B323:B101 (talk) 19:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Career

In the section where it discusses David Gray's career, the article credits "This Year's Love" and "Babylon" as his best known songs.

White Ladder; this was a critical and commercial success and included his best-known songs, "This Years Love" and "Babylon".

The author may want to retool this as U.S. audiences, while familiar with the popular "Babylon" would more easily recognize "Please Forgive Me" or "Sail Away" as opposed to "This Year's Love".

Phimu222 16:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Biggest selling Album in Ireland

Thats true i ve seen it in many places including the q review of a new day at midnight Owwmykneecap 15:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:Taper-friendly musicians

It says on the page for the category of 'Taper-friendly musicians' that their policy of being accepting towards fans who bootleg concerts must be clearly documented in the article, but I can't see where this is documented. Shouldn't either he be removed from this category or have his status as taper-friendly noted and cited? 81.107.212.148 14:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Album chronologies

I've added chronologies to the necessary articles. Haven't specified the correct genre (I know it's not pop), so feel free to select the one that suits best. - Dudesleeper 05:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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Requested move 22 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW QEDK (T ☕ C) 08:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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• David Gray (musician) → David Gray
• David Gray → David Gray (disambiguation)

– Only three David Grays are averaging more than four views a day: the singer, the snooker player and the Hibernian footballer. Excluding the one-off spike yesterday and about three other days, the footballer's traffic was never really anywhere near that of the singer's; whilst the snooker player only received a small jump because of the recent World Snooker Championships. The singer is clearly the primary topic - he's had three UK number-one albums and is also one of only 20 artists in history to have an album sell 3 million copies in the UK.[1] Unreal7 (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose very common name putting one of 15 David Grays in the place of the disambiguation page would simultaneously be a mislink magnet and stop the dab bot working. Never heard of the singer, which doesn't immediately suggest he'd pass both criteria of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, that initial response is confirmed by WP:RS; "David Gray is" test in Google Books weighs to David Gray (poet) if anything. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, because never having heard of a singer is a perfectly legitimate reason to oppose a requested move... Here's a suggestion, stay away from things you know nothing about/don't care about! BTW, you also opposed my RM of Thinking Out Loud because you claimed you'd never heard of Ed Sheeran - like that reason was ever going to be taken seriously. Can you please stop leaping at the opportunity to oppose EVERY SINGLE MOVE REQUEST I make solely because you don't like primary topics? You'd already opposed this RM within 20 minutes of it being made, and just like every other time you respond with your own made-up nonsensical reasoning. IIO, I am seriously going to report you for repeated vandalism if you keep doing this. Unreal7 (talk) 21:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Unreal7, Can you please stop leaping at the opportunity to oppose EVERY SINGLE MOVE REQUEST I make solely because you don't like primary topics? You'd already opposed this RM within 20 minutes of it being made, and just like every other time you respond with your own made-up nonsensical reasoning. IIO, I am seriously going to report you for repeated vandalism if you keep doing this. Let me get a view things straight, my new found friend. First, I would avoid making comments about an editor like you did. WP:PA says to Comment on content, not on the contributor–which you have not been doing. I would also suggest taking a Wikibreak if this is upsetting you. IIO's comments are not vandalism. Please read WP:VAND. Need further assistance? Read my Peace while the editing gets HOT! on my user page. I don't want you to get in trouble or mad, but let's comment on content and not contributor, in such a situation as this. Thank you! CookieMonster755 ^{📞 ✉ ✓} 21:44, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I also see that you have made past personal attacks about IIO. I warned you here. If you make personal attacks or comments about IIO again, than I may have to report you. Please, stay cool while editing gets hot. CookieMonster755 ^{📞 ✉ ✓} 21:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose - very common name, no PRIMARYTOPIC. GiantSnowman 17:20, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
  • So are Chris Brown, James Brown, Danny Jones and Michael Jackson. Unreal7 (talk) 21:40, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose – I agree with the opposing arguments expressed above; however Unreal7's remark about James Brown gave me pause and steered me briefly towards supporting the move, so I'd like to present another rationale to address this case of a notable artist bearing a particularly common name together with many other people: why treat David Gray differently than James Brown indeed? Well, even in the early days of Wikipedia, David Gray was always a disambiguation page, already listing three people in 2004: the poet, the singer and the snooker player, which shows that our esteemed elders did not spontaneously consider one of those people overwhelmingly more notable than the others. Conversely James Brown (2001 version) and Michael Jackson (2001 version) started as articles about the famous entertainers, and it took a few years until their names received disambiguation pages. Even after the disambig was created, Michael Jackson never lost his name (apart from a spurious move in December 2005 which was reverted within a few hours). James Brown (musician) was moved back to James Brown in November 2005 and has stayed there ever since. — JFG ^talk 14:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. Far too common a name to have a primary topic unless one is overwhelmingly better known than the others, which is not the case here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. This David Gray would have to be overwhelmingly the most-sought, most-expected and most-notable person by this name to be the primary topic. Just isn't the case.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  16:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Having a common sounding name does not prevent one from being the primary topic for that name. Calidum ¤ 18:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose Page hits have it for the musician but the google books hits do not indicate encyclopedic primacy for the musician. Coupled with the fact it's a common name I don't think there is much to be gained from the move. Having a a disambiguation page at the main title makes it eaiser to fix erroneous links. Betty Logan (talk) 15:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Add more to the musical direction

I notice that in the "musical direction" section, the notes stopped after Life In Slow Motion. DG has had three albums after that, and has used a wide variety of instruments. This can be found in the lyric booklets in the CDs. The only thing I remember is that he definitely used French horns for "Nemesis" on Draw the Line. Also, the "citation needed" after "a technique which differentiates him from many of his peers" seems to be more of an opinion rather than an unbiased observation. There are plenty of people who do the same things DG does. Emily Townsend (talk) 21:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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