Talk:Dalibor Brozović

Comrade Brozović

From his book Standardni jezik ('Standard language'), published by Matica hrvatska in Zagreb in 1970, from the chapter Tipovi dvojnih i višestrukih odnosa među slavenskim standardnim jezicima ('Types of dual and multiplex relationships among standard Slavic languages'), page 73, citing:

"Hrvatskosrpski standardni jezik sudjeluje u velikom broju kombinacija, i kao primalac i kao davalac i u dvosmjernim utjecajima, i u svim rubrikama. U svim primjerima hrvatskosrpski sudjeluje i kao cjelina naprosto zato što je to ne samo jedan jezik-dijasistem nego i jedan standardni jezik."

Translation:

"Serbo-Croatian standard language participates in a large number of combinations both as a receiver and a donor in two-way influences, in all registers. In all the listed examples Serbo-Croatian participates also as a whole simply because it is not only one language-diasystem, but also one standard language."

That was before he joined HDZ. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 16:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

To anyone interested in the topic, I'd recommend reading his "Deset teza o hrvatskom jeziku" (1971). Here is an interesting excerpt:

Opstojnost hrvatsko-srpskoga dijasistema samo je uskoznanstvena lingvistička činjenica, ona za hrvatsko društvo ne vrijedi više i nema načelno veću važnost nego što za ljudsko društvo ima prirodoznanstvena činjenica da je obična, svakodnevna kuhinjska sol kemijski spoj kovine natrija i nekovine klora (NaCl).

Also this one:

Zato je nemoguće odgovoriti jednoznačno na pitanje služe li se Hrvati i Srbi istim standardnim jezikom. Ono se postavlja veoma često, ali ta je formulacija u našem slučaju posve nepravilna - zbog toga smo i govorili u početku kako je naš jezični problem izvanredno složen. Radi se o tome da riječ isti ima dva značenja, tj. "isti taj, ne drugi", i "isti takav, ne drugačiji". Uzmemo li prvo značenje, odgovor će biti potvrdan, jer je standardnom jeziku u svih ovdje navedenih naroda osnovica praktički ista (uz one ograde o kojima je već bilo riječi), a ne neka druga. Uzmemo li pak drugo značenje, odgovor će biti niječan, jer se Hrvati i Srbi ne služe standardnim jezikom koji je u obojih isti takav, a ne drugačiji. Da je oboje istina, i da nema jednoznačna odgovora, potvrđuju nam i zdrav razum i nepobitne činjenice. U točnost prvoga uvjerit ćemo se lako brojimo li npr. od 1 do 999. Nećemo naći gotovo nikakve razlike, izuzev samo ženski rod broja dva, tj. dvije i dve, ali ta razlika nije hrvatsko-srpska, nego unutarsrpska, jer su na standardno-jezičnoj razini danas ijekavci ne samo Hrvati, Crnogorci i bosanskohercegovački Muslimani nego i dobar dio Srba. Tako ćemo identičnost uzalud tražiti između bilo kojih dvaju standardnih jezika što u svijetu imaju jednoznačno niječan odgovor za oba značenja riječi isti, pa makar se radilo o inače najbliže srodnim jezicima, kao što su npr. naš i slovenski, makedonski i bugarski, češki i slovački, švedski i danski, španjolski i portugalski, itd. S druge strane, primjeri s kuhinjskom soli (bila ona bijela ili bela) nemogući su u bilo kojem jeziku u kojem je odgovor potvrdan za oba značenja riječi isti. To su činjenice, i one ostaju činjenicama svidjelo se to komu ili ne. Nije u ljudskoj vlasti da se one izmijene, želio tko potvrdan ili niječan odgovor na obje formulacije iznesenoga pitanja. Sve ostalo samo su iluzije koje svakomu mogu samo škoditi.

This is intriguing. Very risqué stuff to say in 1971, yet it would have been almost equally heretical in 2017, albeit for entirely different reasons. Still, it seems that Brozović did not completely renounce his 1971 views, since he had his 10 theses re-published in 1997. GregorB (talk) 09:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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