Talk:Cyclone Gabrielle

Date format

With this edit, HurricaneEdgar changed the article to mdy format. Not sure why because the cyclone is affecting countries that are all using dmy dates. Accordingly, I shall revert to dmy dates. Schwede66 22:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I noticed earlier that @HurricaneEdgar: added a template that said that this article was written in American English which is fair enough, however, I have since changed this to NZ English since New Zealand was the primary country impacted. I will note though that at this stage of the articles development it doesn't matter too much since as I understand it there arent too many differences between British English (What I naturally tend to write in), New Zealand English and American English.Jason Rees (talk) 17:18, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

NZ split by region

Do we need to break this down in to a more regional level? There seems to be smaller regional stories that aren't covered. ShakyIsles (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Quick list of significant stories found

Northland

• Whangarei Flooding https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/cyclone-gabrielle-hatea-river-floods-but-spares-whangarei-familys-home/UWXEOYBDXBFAXHRQXCHIZHWRRI/
• Dargivlle flooding https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/cyclone-gabrielle-around-300-kaipara-residents-evacuated-ahead-of-high-tide/LDD4HG4HZBH6NJR6J3AXM57I6A/
• Areas isolated with road closures https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/chunks-of-northland-cut-off-due-to-extensive-storm-damage-to-state-highway-network/ZMCUVTG5WBDB3K3DMY77GOPJ6Y/

Auckland

Muriwai incident covered

• Other damage Muriwai https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/02/watch-footage-shows-extent-of-muriwai-slips-damage-from-cyclone-gabrielle.html
• Piha Damage https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/02/15/complete-devastation-video-reveals-extent-of-damage-at-piha/
• Power outages https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300805578/cyclone-gabrielle-power-outages-in-parts-of-auckland-could-last-multiple-days
• Great Barrier infrastructure damage https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/300806862/surreal-night-as-cyclone-gabrielle-rolls-over-great-barrier
• Flooding in Drury raised concerns for future developments https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/300809399/cyclone-gabrielle-damage-prompts-worry-about-rapid-growth-in-drury

Waikato

• Coromandel completely cut off https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-cyclone-gabrielle-leaves-coromandel-roads-flooded-with-metres-of-water-absolutely-impassable/STGX6P4ZV5FAFPNXND6FF5JUZ4/
• Evacuations Opotiki and Whakatane https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/484176/cyclone-gabrielle-residents-in-parts-of-waikato-whakatane-opotiki-told-to-evacuate
• Raglan cut off https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/131219451/work-on-cut-roads-priority-as-storm-cleanup-gathers-pace

Gisborne

• Road closures. Region is completely isolated. Flooding. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131231538/cyclone-gabrielle-clear-skies-in-gisborne-but-citys-water-supply-critical
• Flooding throughout Tairawhiti record river levels https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131219030/family-with-four-children-stuck-in-car-in-tolaga-bay
• Forestry slash issues https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/484236/tolaga-bay-farmer-seething-as-forestry-slash-causes-floodwaters-to-swamp-house-land-again
• Te Karaka residents wacth town washed away https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300809113/cyclone-gabrielle-te-karaka-locals-rushed-up-hills-to-safety-as-usually-benign-river-swamped-their-town

Hawkes Bay

Covered quite well already

• Esk Valley Flooding https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/131219988/esk-valley-vineyards-completely-flooded-and-facing-long-recovery
• Wairoa Isolated https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cyclone-gabrielle-wairoa-mayor-craig-little-sends-urgent-request-for-emergency-help/H4T4ARQS6ZHGLF62FJA3AV5EGQ/ https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/484243/completely-isolated-wairoa-only-has-one-day-s-food-civil-defence-says
• Te Awa Estate evactuations https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300806160/cyclone-gabrielle-what-you-need-to-know-in-your-region
• Art Deco festival cancelled https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/cyclone-gabrielle-napier-art-deco-festival-2023-cancelled/EPNGJ7YGTZHLTBUZUYSLWULJZE/

Manawatū-Whanganui

• Tararua communities cut off https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/300807360/reaching-cutoff-communities-priority-for-tararua-as-cyclone-gabrielle-eases
• Pohangina River flooding https://www.nzherald.co.nz/manawatu-guardian/news/cyclone-gabrielle-high-flows-in-the-rangitikei-oroua-pohangina-and-manawatu-rivers/FQBCHTFS7RHBJKQZXXTDAPDHVI/
• Water restrictions Palmerston North https://www.nzherald.co.nz/manawatu-guardian/news/palmerston-north-residents-asked-to-conserve-water/2MYEZMDLTBGQZK23IP46U6U45E/
• Motua Floodgates open

Others

• High winds and power outages Taranaki https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131219412/cyclone-gabrielle-not-running-out-of-puff-in-taranaki-civil-defence-warns
• Chatham Islands impacts (unclear yet)

ShakyIsles (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm burned out after having written over half of the 2023 North Island floods article so have just been adding the most important stuff here. Other people can come along and bring the detail in this article up to the same level that that one and the Cyclone Dovi (2022) one has. Maple Doctor (talk) 05:47, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

That's totally fair enough, thank you for all your work on both articles! @ShakyIsles: I definitely agree, as well as re-ordering that section to be chronological (ie. move the impact on the Pacific Islands above NZ). I updated the list a little and fixed a few typos, hope you don't mind (and wish your username wasn't so relevant tonight!) Turnagra (talk) 09:10, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

As one of the main editors of tropical cyclones in the region, I wonder if Gabrielle really needs a separate article. Obviously, I am not doubting that it's notable enough, but with Hale and 06F already impacting New Zealand you wonder if one article wouldn't be better.Jason Rees (talk) 22:52, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

As someone in NZ, the coverage and impact of this one is an order or magnitude higher than the others- there wasn't a huge amount of attention paid to those two in comparison to Gabrielle, with people drawing frequent comparisons to Bola from the 80s. I feel like Gabrielle definitely merits its own article and will be getting referenced in years to come fairly consistently in a way that Hale and 06F won't be. Turnagra (talk) 23:11, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

All evidence is pointing to Gabrielle being the most devistating weather event to ever hit New Zealand in terms of value of damage done. Definitely deserves it's own article. ShakyIsles (talk) 23:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

As I said in my comments it isnt the fact that it isnt notable for an article or doesnt deserve one, as after all it seems certain that Gabrielle will be added to the List of retired Australian cyclone names later in the year. I just wonder though if its not better to combine the articles, since Hale and 06F would have at least in part set the stage for Gabrielle and would thus be a part of the most devestating weather event if you catch my drift. However, since comparisions to Bola are being made, I will respect both your opinons and wont push for a merger.Jason Rees (talk) 01:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

There could also be a Background heading added to the article to briefly talk about those previous events, similar to the section in 2023 North Island floods. Maple Doctor (talk) 04:51, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

"Tropical Cyclone Giselle"(second line) redirects to "TEV Wahine"

Would it make more sense for it to redirect to 1960s South Pacific cyclone seasons or for a page to be made for Tropical Cyclone Giselle using the info from the the TEV Wahine article? It includes the track map and everything IFixThings (talk) 23:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

TEV Wahine, sorry for not including this in my original topic. IFixThings (talk) 23:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure - in theory yes, that'd make a lot more sense. But looking at the two articles, the article about the cyclone seasons has one line with no real detail, while the TEV Wahine article goes into a fair bit of detail about the cyclone which sank it, and most of the cyclone's notability probably comes from its association with the Wahine. But that might also be a conversation better suited for a redirect discussion. Turnagra (talk) 00:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

That's true. I'd say the most productive solution is to make a separate article for Giselle but that's only under the assumption that there's enough substance to separate it from the TEV Wahine sinking. IFixThings (talk) 02:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

For sure, I think a separate article could be a good idea. On looking into it more, it seems like there was quite a lot of damage and unique meteorological context which made it fairly notable, so I'm sure there would be enough for an article to cover - though I'd need to look into it more to be certain. Turnagra (talk) 02:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

It is almost certainly worth an article if someone wants to create it or I can when I get some spare time.Jason Rees (talk) 14:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)