Talk:Common chiffchaff

Good article notes

Looking good (interests me more than house martin..)

lead

• I'd day 'migratory' or 'a migratory bird' in the lead, as migrant always reminds me of a birdbook local to a particular area describing that bird's relation to that area.

• ..now normally treated.. - usually treated? 'normally' is not an adverb which implies consensus to me which I think id the idea here.

• maybe mention the name is onomatopoeic in lead?

• The female Chiffchaff builds .. -I'd lose the 'chiffchaff' here as it can get repetitive.

Elsewhere

• Habitat and range --> Distribution and habitat

• Combine Etymology and Systematics in Taxonomy section, with subspecies and former subspecies as separate subheadings.

• ...that differentiates it from other.. - 'distinguishes', as what we're doing is identifying it

• link or explain supercilium

• prior to --> before (finicky I know but is simpler, crisper English)

• link bracken

Only other issue is to combine 1-2 sentence paragraphs, of which there are a few, as it looks odd to read. Good work and easy fixes. Can't think of anything else unless there are some cultural depictions. Ever been on any stamps etc.? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 Done I agree with above, and have fixed them all. There are no significant cultural references I can find (nothing in Cocker, which is the best source), but there is a stamp. There isn't enough to make a separate section, so I've added to the intro. Jimfbleak (talk) 07:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Well done - for FAC hmmmmm - maybe some more on etymology and what it is called in other languages (le chiffchaff?), and taxonomy, a little on where phylloscopus is in the scheme of things. Can't think of much else - did we mention brood parasites here...?cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Update

Tweaked a bit. Any other stuff about why exsul became extinct. Also, where do phylloscopidae relate to Sylviidae. One line should do on the latter. Still thinking. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice topic

Nice choice of topic for a main page article. Congrats to all who worked on it. Cute little birdie. David WC2 (talk) 20:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Bad sentence construction

"...is a common and widespread leaf warbler, named for the onomatopoeia of its distinctive song, which breeds in open woodlands throughout northern and temperate Europe and Asia." Does "the onomatopoeia of its distinctive song" breed in open woodlands? I think the last part of the sentence should be split to become "...of its distinctive song. It breeds in open woodlands..." Geqo (talk) 03:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Not really necessary, as it's in apposition Eldaran (talk) 04:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I feel the apposition would make sense if their were fewer parts to the sentence, but confuses the reader as it is in such a complex and multifaceted sentence. For example, "The Common Chiffchaff, named for the onomatopoeia of its distinctive song, breeds in open woodlands..."

The sentence as it stands seems to me to consist of two parts: (1) The Common Chiffchaff... is a common and widespread leaf warbler" and (2) Named for the onomatopoeia of its distinctive song, which breeds..." Maybe if the "which" is changed to "and" it will sound better

(original sentence - "The Common Chiffchaff or simply Chiffchaff, Phylloscopus collybita, is a common and widespread leaf warbler, named for the onomatopoeia of its distinctive song, which breeds in open woodlands throughout northern and temperate Europe and Asia.")

Can't believe I'm making this much fuss about this, but oh well. :P Geqo (talk) 04:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I reworded it as follows: "The Common Chiffchaff or simply Chiffchaff, Phylloscopus collybita, named for the onomatopoeia of its distinctive song, is a common and widespread leaf warbler which breeds in open woodlands throughout northern and temperate Europe and Asia." I hope that's satisfactory! MeegsC | Talk 08:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome :D Arigatou! :D Geqo (talk) 02:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not the song that is onomatopoeic, but the name - so "the onomatopoeia of its distinctive song" is wrong. The "Etymology" section has it right. I have changed the mention in the lead to "named onomatopoeically for its simple chiff-chaff song." Better? SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 05:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

If only this little birdie knew the fuss we were making over it... :) Geqo (talk) 04:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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